I am not trying to troll you at all. And in truth, I lack the proper patience or discipline to push: I tend to fight elites one group at a time, and not take the risk of pulling (also bad at pulling) towards a Pylon. I make the short-sighted play and fight what I see, instead of being willing to sacrifice a Rift in order to get lucky and stack for a Power or Conduit.
When I ran with Rend on the PTR, it felt so weird. Like, I wasn’t directly attacking anything, I wasn’t technically doing damage with WW, but Rend was also not a true DOT. It was a 1-second DOT that I guess had to be applied twice a second to make sure Lamentation triggered? It just felt…weird.
I ran it with Istvan’s, one of which was primal. Except it was Primal with AD, so it was technically a bad one! So weird!!!
Your original claim had nothing to do with gear. You wrote:
I showed you THREE other top performing classes that fit that bill. WD, DH, and Wiz all have very powerful, mobile, and rewarding solo push builds.
And now you’re making it about gear? DH WD and Wiz are hilariously easy to gear. DH is Natalya, WD is Zunis plus a craftable blacksmith set (Aughild’s) and Wiz is Chantodo and Vyrs.
All super easy to gear and all smoke the 130-135+ range. Chantoro Vyrs and DH specifically are a joke to play. Tanky (immortal in Vyr’s case) and can kill most bosses in record time. These builds have no weaknesses.
Care to move the goal posts some more?
Your justifications for Barb nerfs being about comparisons to other classes don’t make any sense. You seem unaware of what’s going on in the game right now and what other classes / builds can do.
Are you kidding me? Chantodo Vyrs is ridiculously easy to gear, doesn’t even need Area Damage or Attack speed or Toughness stats because it naturally caps out at 5 APS and has unlimited mobility and toughness.
Vyrs has no weaknesses and is even easier to gear than WW Rend. Vyrs can literally Teleport on a 1 second cooldown for 90% of the rift.
Much better mobility than WW.
If you think a 100% partisan vote on impeachment rules (which are extra-judicial and would never pass muster in a court of law) means the president is guilty…you are an idiot.
Thank the LORD I do not have your awful life, where a nerf in a video game can ruin my week. Loser.
Just your typical far right loser. Just wants people to agree with their feelings while they argue with your facts. Please get out of the community, thanks.
Just like Jade Doctor, no dot damage, all comes from dotting up and then hitting with harvester. A guy with 10k paragon points and almost maxed out gems should never be the result of it being nerfed or buffed.
I would watch it with the political comments. The thread where he said that has been closed for that reason (and it was correct to do so).
That said, and part of the reason I say to be careful, he has not posted anything since that thread was closed. There is a chance he was banned for using politics like that.
The only truth in this was Chantodo’s doesn’t want AD. If his argument was disproven, yours outright sucks.
They probably should have left Lamentation alone and shifted damage from the Rend modifer on the Wastes set itself or killed that ridiculous dust devil mechanic. Why nerf a legendary, and any corresponding LoN builds, instead of just slightly toning down a little too OP 2 piece set bonus?
There should be a paragon nerf / cap 1st!!
I don’t understand why Blizzards don’t wanna listen the vast majority of players and even class communities, but follow “10k plvl freaks”, allowing them to destroy new builds that we have been waiting for years ??
Just listen his whining since 10.30 till the boss when he wasn’t even sure he would clear it, and his pathetic wet fantasies after, that
O/c in the sick imagination of the noname troll it turned into:
What isn’t truth about my post? Chantodo’s is extremely easy to gear.
Chantodo reaches the 5 APS cap hilariously fast and keeps it for the majority of the rift unless you make a huge mistake. You don’t actually need Attack speed rolls for the build anywhere except weapon. Wow a 7% IAS weapon on an item with no legendary power range. So hard to get!
Chantodo doesn’t need to gear AD at all because A) The wave can’t proc it and B) It has such huge base damage that it doesn’t even need it.
Chantodo never gears for toughness. Properly played Chantodo will never die in Archon. You literally can tank the hardest hitting stuff and never see your health drop on a push.
So what exactly is incorrect about the statement that Chantodo is easy to gear? It’s VERY easy to gear, and while in Archon is the tankiest, most mobile build in the entire game. It can also kill any RG to boot, since it stacks stricken extremely fast and has amazing single target damage.
very high tougness is only with Kariny -> all max clears is without Kariny with much lower tougness, without Kariny is easy to die in Archon, maybe easier than out because OID
varaination with Karini is played with Squirt and it is not that easy stay alive out of archon with much more incoming dmg with Squirt (where you have no mobility with TP)
for high push players always gear for tougness (even with 10k+ paragon)
easy 5 APS:
Only with Gogok, but Kariny + Squirt variant is weaker with gogok (Zeis and Powerfull are both stronger)
perfect weapon is hard as all other weapn, perfect weapn is always primal, range doesent matter, I have already perfect Yang for MS, perfect Karleis for Impale, but only Chantados will I don’t have (I have already salvage 2 primal Chantados will with bad rolls), for ancient not that good weapon is a bit easy than another weapons
doesent matter if you need AD or other stats (like CDR), only one slot is for Chant. Wiz much easier and it is offhand
Most mobile build in the entire game?
TP has 0,8s CD without support
with AeW or InGeom (active buff) has 0,5s -> on bounties is InGeom not good (you have not always elites it patch) and with AeW is longer time to reset archon (with InGeom imediately)
out of archon you need stacking and not moving
on super speed GR I am much quicker with MS DH than Chant. Vyr Wiz.
on lower dif. (quick moving build) MS DH is a bit quicker moving: on free space is DH much quicker, Wiz. is a bit quicker in closed corridors, WW Barb is quicker too, maybe other builds too, but I didn’t play it
Amazing single target dmg? That is a joke? High speed stacking Stricken is true, this exceeds low single taget dmg.
The problems you describe in a very high push tier exist for all classes.
Vyr Chantodo has no innate weaknesses.
0.8 cooldown teleport is AMAZING mobility.
Just because you have to pay attention on a 140 doesn’t mean Vyrs has weaknesses.
And yes, Vyrs has amazing single target damage because it has amazing base raw damage. That’s why it doesn’t need AD. Vyrs wave damage is the same whether it’s hitting 1 RG or 100 mobs. As long as the Archon stacks are the same the damage doesn’t change based on # of targets.
That’s why all Vyrs has to do on the boss is not die outside of Archon, and the build takes care of the rest.
No. For example Impale DH is much easier to not die than Vyr Chant. without Karini.
Try to compare single target dmg with Impale. Impale has much higher single target dmg and with only max GR132 (problem is lack aoe).
Easy boss fight is only for Kariny variation.
With Impale I have much better mobility than with Vyr Wiz (push build).
Dude you are aware we’re only talking about Vyrs as a push setup, right?
Vyrs is an amazing GR solo pushing build with no weaknesses and it is easy to gear.
This means we’re talking about the push variant which uses Karini.
We’re not talking about speed farming.
The point of the comparison is because someone above made the claim that there should not be builds that are fast, rewarding, and powerful so that is why they nerfed Rend.
Vyrs is all 3.
If you’re having issues with Vyrs I don’t know what to tell you. It’s literally the most powerful solo push spec right now.
150-160 stacks (on push, on lower dif. you can have much more) is ordinary from previos Archon. You enter new Archon with 150 + 50. 300+ you have not allmost never. Older archon ends before you reach 150 stacks with newer one.
Vyrs self buffs its own IAS incredibly well to the point where it’ll run at or near the IAS cap for most of the rift. If you can’t maintain 150+50 and above stacks you just can’t play it, especially on a push map.
Vyrs has unlimited mobility as soon as its back in Archon, the cooldown on Teleport being 0.8 s is a laughable argument, that’s permanent Teleport.
Vyrs damage is also incredible against groups or single target (boss) because it literally runs with 0% area damage thetefor it doesn’t depend on density to deal its payload. This is a demonstrable fact given that Vyrs doesn’t use AD, the Wave doesn’t proc AD at all.
That is why Vyrs is amazing against bosses, you just facetank Archon stacks against the boss at melee range.
Vyrs is mobile, powerful, durable, and easy to handle. That is why the highest solo clears on average are with Vyrs Chantodo, and it holds a 146 and several 140-145 clears across all servers.
So what’s the misinformation? Vyrs is an incredibly strong solo build. To argue otherwise is delusional.
It’ll be incredibly strong even after they nerf it. That’s how strong it is.
I agree with everything you wrote. Been playing exclusively Vyr for 3 seasons now, even if not so much this last one, and it just is the easiest most powerful spec I’ve ever played in D3 since the beta.
It does everything fast and easy, from T16/bounties to solo speed GR’s to group speed GR’s to top solo pushes.
The 148 clear is most probably a SP bazooka one though.
No. This is basic problem. Push variant does not use Karini. Push variant is dual element fire + light (flame blades before archon causes fire archon for first 5s with 19% fire roll + 20% light roll on gear) + augh., which use 2 CoE cycles and need synchronized CoE with Archon. It is without Karini, without Squirt, low tougness, hard to stay alive. Need all CDR roll possible (because is with flame blades and without obsidian) and need to use OID.
Standard Karini variantion is much easier to play, but has around -3GR potencial.
