Private loot entails AFK farming

[Borg-1611]

@Spiriduell-2453

Bro u are never played diablo 2 so?

I played hundreds if not thousands of hours of D2 in the early 2000s when drop rates were even lower and the game was current.

@Spiriduell-2453

The most diablo 2 pro gamer have to do with rush.

I’m not sure what this means.

@Spiriduell-2453

Argue with you? Waste of time

Probably true.

[Spiriduell-2453]

Of course you don’t know. Because you don’t know diablo 2 and that’s exactly what you argue with us, that’s why your opinion is fundamentally irrelevant. No offense bro just true

[Borg-1611]

@Spiriduell-2453

Of course you don’t know.

I didn’t know what it meant because it is unfortunately not a well formed sentence.

[blash-1917]

@Borg-1611

I didn’t know what it meant because it is unfortunately not a well formed sentence.

The “rush” to use the argument that we just dont know d2 is simply too tempting over coming up with real arguments.

[Nickamus-1876]

You are correct, and it happens all the time. 8 people standing around Baal while one person try hards. They are just standing around with their click bot at worst or just animation locking themselves so they can get to the item that drops quickly.

You can’t counter this by not grouping with these players – the boss drops loot anyways.

You can’t really counter this by going hostile – They might be able to defeat you, you have to go to town to hostile.

If you are reading this and have argued either of the two above reasons, understand that you can refuse party and go hostile even with private loot.

[ZelaS-2645]

Okay. In ploot scenario you still can do nothing and get the loot. In classic loot scenario you need at least to be quick and attentive.

[GMgamer-21179]

Please don’t bring ploot at d2r.
At least for pc gameplay!!

[MicroRNA-1507]

@ZelaS-2645

In ploot scenario you still can do nothing and get the loot. In classic loot scenario you need at least to be quick and attentive.

This is wrong in 2 ways.

1. In a personal loot game, if you are not in physical proximity to a monster kill, you get no drops whatsoever.
2. In an FFA game, you can wait in town, wait for monsters to be killed, and then go to a cleared area and scavenge all uncollected drops as slowly as you choose without any danger.

Please become better informed before making false arguments. If you have questions about how personal loot and FFA loot works, please ask me. I am willing to remedy your knowledge gaps. From this forum, it is clear to me that many anti-personal loot posters are arguing against their misperception and not factual reality.

To add since this also a common misperception, personal loot does not change total drops and does not mean that personal loot means up to 8x more drops in comparison to FFA loot. If Baal drops 5 items in an 8 player FFA game, Baal drops 5 items in an 8 player personal loot game (and not 40).

[Hurzk-2676]

@ZelaS-2645

It’s an opportunity to do nothing and leeching items. Think about it.

just like how it is now? you can just run around and scope up items that everyone else fight for, think about it! ^

man if you got such a big problem with afk players, dont play with them .

have you tried diablo 3? not a problem in that game. same for just any other game, it happens so rarely that it is no problem

[WhirLWinD-1213]

If implemented with certain ideas around leeching/AFKing, Personal Loot wouldn’t be as bad as some think. There could be certain rules in place like the ones I listed below. Also, there are other rules that could be made as well: Allow the creator of the game to set what levels can get loot, or a timer that disallows certain levels to see/get items, but can after the timer is over. There are so many ideas that could be implemented so that way lower levels(especially level 1’s) couldn’t get Hell Baal drops because in reality a level 1 cannot even get a hit in on Hell Baal, let alone stay alive so they don’t deserve drops if they can’t kill the monster/stay alive.

@WhirLWinD-1213

If implemented right, Personal Loot in D2: R wouldn’t follow the same Personal Loot as D3. In D2: R, you could still trade items to anyone even if you have Personal Loot on. Personal Loot in D2: R would still follow the same rules as FFA Loot, “total drops” would still be the same. Only difference is random chance on who gets the items. I’m more of a purist as far as FFA Loot. I prefer the original FFA Loot from og D2. But, if they do implement Personal Loot only, or as an option in D2: R it needs to follow these rules:

• 1. Still allow trading like in og D2.
• 2. “Total drops” would still be the same as FFA Loot.
• 3. Leechers/low levels(especially level 1’s) couldn’t get loot unless they were in the killing radius of the monster, and get a hit in(which they probably couldn’t because their attack rating would be too low especially in Hell difficulty).

Again, I’m more of a purist, but if they implement Personal Loot with at least these 3 rules then I could be for it.

[Scxe-1450]

Position yourself so they get hit with poison, or whatnot.

[iShotGG-2883]

@ZelaS-2645

It’s an opportunity to do nothing and leeching items. Think about it.

Weak argument. How’s that AFK if that leecher will have to run over the party path and collect those items? Do you think they will drop to him in the safe zone? If he is weak then he wll die a lot of time to the mobs main party didn’t bother to kill. If he is strong then it is useless for him to not be with the party and attack he will get exp + items. Or there is another nice possibility that players go different directions and kill everything even faster and then just go collect what the others dropped.

With currenty system you just kill mobs for nothing in case someone collects those items faster than you. It is a pure win-win for private loot compared to FFA here.

[ZelaS-2645]

How about that: 1 monster drops to 8 times more items with ploot? Which makes the game 8 times easier and ruins current balance and economy.

[Gamma-2578]

@ZelaS-2645

How about that: 1 monster drops to 8 times more items with ploot? Which makes the game 8 times easier and ruins current balance and economy.

which is wrong.
ploot = drop allocation based on a dice roll pretty much.
a monster dropping 5 items in FFA will still drop 5 items in ploot in total : (1 each for 5 players 0 for the remaining 3 others)

moreover it only apply to players at the very most 2 screen near the monster death.
if 3 players are 1 or 2 screen near the monster /boss death , it’ll be divided between those 3 only.

nothing to do with the balance/economy considering it doesn’t increase the total amount of item.

[MicroRNA-1507]

@ZelaS-2645

How about that: 1 monster drops to 8 times more items with ploot? Which makes the game 8 times easier and ruins current balance and economy

Oh no. no. no . no. Personal loot does not mean up to 8x drops. You are quite mistaken. The total drops are identical between FFA and personal loot. The only difference are how the identical number of total drops are allocated. You are arguing against a system that you do not know what it even means.

@Gamma-2578

which is wrong.
ploot = drop allocation based on a dice roll pretty much.
a monster dropping 5 items in FFA will still drop 5 items in ploot in total : (1 each for 5 players 0 for the remaining 3 others)

moreover it only apply to players at the very most 2 screen near the monster death.
if 3 players are 1 or 2 screen near the monster /boss death , it’ll be divided between those 3 only.

nothing to do with the balance/economy considering it doesn’t increase the total amount of item

[ZelaS-2645]

So you need Deus Ex Machina to distribute the goods? Seriously? ffa loot is much more fair. Each player has a chance to get an item which he couldn’t even see with the automatic random. Pseudorandom may also punish you badly without any chances to influence on it.

[WhirLWinD-1213]

A couple of posts from other threads!

@WhirLWinD-1213

I agree that D2: R needs to stay the same shared loot as original D2. Keep that preserved. But, if for some reason that the devs did change it to personal loot only, or having an option of checking personal loot or shared loot then hopefully they keep the “total” drops the same. As I said in another thread:

Personally, I believe they should keep the shared loot from original D2 in D2: R. If they were to do personal loot, though, it should follow the same “total” amount of drops that would have dropped if it was a regular shared loot game.

Example:
8 player game with the regular shared loot from D2.
Party goes through, and kills all end Act bosses(Andariel, Duriel, Mephisto, Diablo, Baal).
Let’s say there is a total of 10 uniques that drop between all of these bosses in this 8 person shared loot game.

Now, let’s say that the same game was instead on personal loot instead of shared loot.
8 player game with personal loot.
Party goes through, and kills all end Act bosses(Andariel, Duriel, Mephisto, Diablo, Baal).
Even though each person has their own personal loot the same amount of 10 uniques would drop, but depends on who gets it. This way would help against leechers, and pickit botters. Items would still be allowed to trade to other players.

Conclusion is that I prefer original D2 shared loot. But, if they do go to personal loot, or even as some suggested to have it as an option between shared loot, or personal loot as long as the same amount of “total” drops would be calculated then it would be fine to have it that way.

In my suggestion above the personal loot wouldn’t amount into everyone getting 10 uniques each for a total of 80 uniques, but that the total uniques that drop for all 8 players would still be 10 uniques.

@WhirLWinD-1213

Total drops would be the same, but items are randomly distributed out. Each player would have a 1/8 chance of getting items. Out of the 10 uniques I might get lucky on this run, and get 3 of them. Say we do another run, and 10 uniques drop. This time say I get 2 of them. One player gets 5. One player gets 2. One player gets 1. 4 players don’t get any. Just random chance based on number of players in game, and if the players are all near the bosses/monsters. The only thing bad about personal loot in party games is looking for certain items. Say I’m looking for a 4 socket Crystal Sword. You would have to ask/tell the other players to look out for a certain item that you’re looking for if you stay in group killing the same bosses/monsters. If you go off killing bosses/monsters on your own you would be the only one getting the loot anyways. Also, solo runs you would be able to farm for that 4 socket Crystal Sword better. There could be an upside to personal loot in that when you join pub games, and you state what items you’re looking for you can create more socialization in game, and possibly more friendships if you’re able to share the loot!

[Gamma-2578]

@ZelaS-2645

So you need Deus Ex Machina to distribute the goods? Seriously? ffa loot is much more fair. Each player has a chance to get an item which he couldn’t even see with the automatic random. Pseudorandom may also punish you badly without any chances to influence on it.

weird way to phrase it.
it’s merely another type of drop allocation that is optional / toggleable at room creation for the people who simply want it.
indeed the system decide who gets what but it’s fair , i don’t think FFA could be called “fair” considering not everyone play mouse + keyboard (some play with controller) , have low ping (lot of people have high ping) and so on.
and same thing for other possible no fair things like pick-it / bots.
in the end it’s about preferences : you like it you join such games , you don’t …well you don’t join them.
more than the loot themselves , it’s a system allocation that allows you to play the game while not caring about your ping or the floor that much and mostly concentrate on team play / killing monster.

it all boils down to preferences , but in the end it doesn’t change anything loot rate wise.
it’s not “better” nor “worse” , it’s different , for differents preferences.

[GMgamer-21179]

Not a fan of ploot either, but let’s see what happens.

[MicroRNA-1507]

@ZelaS-2645

So you need Deus Ex Machina to distribute the goods? Seriously?

I hate to tell you this. Actually, I take that back. I do not hate to tell you this. Deus ex machina already decides the drop/no drop chance and the item’s identity/rolls.

Deus ex machina is how D2/D2:Lod works at it its most basic level. A computer program using RNG and formulas already determines drops.