So he actually said almost exactly what I said few posts above.
All you them trolls asking for barb nerf. Shame on you. Get a life. I can destroy some numbers to prove you all wrong, which I did in the past. However, I have 0 trust in developersâ judgement as past experience showed me soâŚTrolls and baseless claims rule when it comes to barb and PTR.
Good luck to your plowing as usual.
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ROFL hell no. There is no way rend can clear 144 in live as Vyr chantodo did.
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Should I listen to you or guy who did 140 on PTR with 300+ms ping in one day?
As EU player,i have 300ping on ptr, plus i had wrong rune on a skill. On live this is clearly 143/144 capable on open floor .
And 143/144 darkapatorâs prediction (he wrote at least on live) is even without FoT (as darkpatator wrote, he had not physical FoT to test with them).
And Vyr Wiz 144 max is darkapator attempt too, ideal comparison.
WW Rend is than maybe slightly stronger than prenerf Vyr Wiz, but I have no problem that no. 1 Barb will be 1-2 GR higher than no. 1 Wiz.
Iâm sure it will be painful for you if Barb surpass Wizard by 1,2 or 3 GR. Man, it will hurt⌠bad!
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Not at all. But other solo sets where nerfed. So if everything stays as is difference will be higher.
I would love to play my DH with barbs in speed GR meta.
We are discussing the PTR and the magnitude of the barb buff on live server. The current barb buff is exceptionally strong. The only class with similar power (wizards) is being nerfed on the PTR.
Achilles see the posts by darkpatator he disagrees. He think 144-146.
I thought Prokahnâs greater rift efficiency research showed that wizards were OP in comparison to other classes recently.
edited post to remove no one statement
The OP literally is lol. Heâs not alone either. I know youâre more talking about the players actually discussing things rationally and intelligently, just had to point that out 
carry on.
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âno one asking for a nerfâ
Reads OP lol
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The biggest issue here for Barbs, is that for years, the Barb community asked for buffs, without asking for anything else to be Nerfed.
Barbs finally get a buff, and all of a sudden the Wiz community wants Barbs nerfed back to the bottom of the pile, without actually making any effort to address their own issues.
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Yes, yes, a thousand times YES.
Micro, stop using alts to peddle nonsense.
For those who donât know, DarkKnight and GoodWillHunt are alt accounts of MicroRNA. I think I can safely speak for the Barb community when I say that Micro and his alts do not represent us, nor are they welcome.
Also a thousand times YES.
PTR is over folks.
Hereâs hoping those of us who fought the good fight are heard louder than trolls. Iâm consoled that, no matter what, Barbs got buffs, but I certainly hope those buffs arenât curtailed by whiners and trolls who think âbalanceâ is more important than fun.
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I do not play wizard. Reasonable posters are not asking for barbs to be the âbottom of the pileâ. Barbs would still be #1 next era with a 2-3 less strong buff (i.e the ability to clear 143).
How do you become an official member of the âbarb communityâ? A blanket statement that barbs never asked for nerfs to other classes can never be right if this is a large community with heterogenous beliefs.
Case in point, I can think of several posters who main barbs and I think are considered as part of the âbarb communityâ (who definitely asked for nerfs historically and gloated when nerfs happened).
To be honest, builds that are overpowered should be nerfed and nerfs absolutely should be asked for. If the dogma of âthe barb communityâ is never to ask for nerfs than this is problematic itself. The gloating over nerfs is something that I could do without.
Based on one 140 clear with 10.5 K paragon?
I doubt the average Barb, especially in season is going to get anywhere near that.
If it canât solo 150, which is the max level right?, then how can it be considered overpowered?
Thank you, you make my point for me.
You can think of a few individuals, which has nothing to do with the wishes of the general Barb community.
Glad we agree.
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No. Based on the overwhelming historical precedence AND analysis of the person who cleared 140. See darkpatator and his posts. He explain why this build will go to 144-146. The top clears on live always exceed PTR clears by at least 3 because more people push on live.
Grift 150 has been the max. Are you trying to tell me in season 4 if one class can clear a 150 while the rest were much, much lower it would not be overpowered. Even the âbarb influencerâ has said that the pre-nerf wizard build is âobviously brokenâ.
How do you know what the âgeneral Barb communityâ wants or there opinion on whether OP builds should be nerfed? As far as I can tell, the majority of people want there to be reasonably good balance so that all classes are similar in power to each other. The most frequent chorus for âno nerfsâ come from the OP class. Outliers either low or high should be buffed and nerfed, respectively.
I support the barb buffs. The key question is the magnitude of the buffs. Is it ok to be #1 by 1 grift? Or do you want to be #1 by 3 grifts?
Based on the person with 10.5KâŚclearly not within the average.
Youâre still making my point for me.
Still no one has answered the question of what is wrong with a build being capable of clearing 150 solo.
Because I can read.
Pure balance is a unicorn, itâs never going to happen, but making the classes close together is achievable.
Most outside Barbs still donât acknowledge that Barbs are even further behind the curve due to the numbers being inflated by the wall charge exploit.
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If there is only 1 build capable of clearing 150 and the rest were only capable of 140, then I would argue that is a problem.
Did you support the 2.6.6 barb buff proposal? In it, they asked for parity between classes. Specifically, it recommended a buff of 4.1 greater rifts for barbs. At that time, barbs were 11 grifts behinds wizards. Even if the wizard nerf was reverted, the current potential of ww/rend exceeds wizards (pre-nerf).
Check Prokahnâs analysis or simply ask your self what classes would need to be buffed/nerfed to get everyone within 5 greater rifts (e.g. 138-143).
There is no wall charging exploit in the ww/rend build that is buffed in the PTR.
But is that a problem with the one build, or a failing of the others?
Yes, and it didnât call for a nerf to other classes
Which has absolutely nothing to do with how far behind the curve Barbs were.
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ähmâŚno? we havnât seen clears from barb that wiz didnât already do in the pastâŚwith 2 diffenrent builds - and the maybees of 1 guy that is 10k+ paragon shouldnât count as a fact and reason enough to nerf the build
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I want mild barb Nerfs (primarily just change lamentation from 200% to 100%). Iâd prefer a wiz Nerf. But, if barb goes through as is then I think wiz should probably just be left the same (especially since the Nerf to wiz is apparently not working correctly). But no matter what, thorns necro should be nerfed. Making that play style for pushing is awful. As a necro main even I want that nerfed.
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