Yes, we need to project how much the main stat difference matters, but the seasonal does have several primals which may or may not actually happen in a full season.
The top seasonal clear would have at least 9100 more strength from augments, and then a likely 8890 more from paragons (assuming 3,500 paragon).
So not considering the seasonal theme at all, 138 is a real possibility given what we see now, and this is with only a few days of testing.
Honestly, Barb was my first class in D3 so I would love if we were in that 138-143 range. Quite frankly, I think it would make more sense to get all classes in that range rather than nerfing builds to fall well below it.
Sure, was mainly saying that to Demonmonger’s remove Triple Rend from 4pc set bonus idea. I get what he’s saying though, every 2,4,6pc doing Rend damage is kind of strange, but they’re all doing it in different ways which makes it unique and synergize with different items. In fact if you just had the 2pc and didn’t have Ambo’s it’s actually a decrease in dps. It’s a very interesting interaction.
If Blizzard changed the 3X to 2X that would be a couple of grifts? If so, this might be an easy solution. A precision scalpel cut rather than bashing away with a butcher’s cleaver. Fresh meat.
They could always revert the change to 3X in the next patch after seeing the true potential of the WW/Rend build. I like the idea of a huge but not outrageous buff that removes the possibility of a nerf later.
My preferred change to the thematic feel would be to swap Ambo’s and the 2pc bonus with eachother. It would make sense of the 2pc bonus applied rend and the 4pc along with the 6pc and supporting legendary items buffed it.
Check Cratic’s comment on the chantodo nerfs. His words are more convincing than any wiz players. For those doesnt know him, he is one of the best wizard mechanic testers.
Video link GR 145 done in June: https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDI0MjAyMzgyMA==.html?spm=a2h3j.8428770.3416059.1
Can you see the difference?
Let me link you another video, Ze Dark’s solo 144 on liver server.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN8wTjBD6Z0
Anyone have eyes will see wiz has more toughness while maintaining the same damage than barb. This 140 is zombie grotesue with summoner, far less damaging than the 144 anarch mob types and the 145 illusionist enslave nightmare fishings. Take in mind EN has random debuffs on player that reduces toughness, yet the wiz survived perfectly. It can not replicate on a barb or it will cost damage. Toughness is crucial in higher tiers. In your analogy, 148 is doable on live with ze dark. How do you expect him sustain 24% extra damage when his EHP value is wobbling throughout the entire rift on the most damagingless mob types in this 140 clr?
No one takes PTR s19 seriously, the 15 kill streak proc 30 kill streak proc xxx kill streak that 1 shot elites. 500 kill streak 1 shot RG. The gameplay is about maintaining kill streak. Class strengths are irrelevant.
At 8k paragon, i am struggling with PoJ on 100+ NS yet Quin with 1k paragon in seasons cruises 104+ with kill streak bonuses, pretty much illustrates the narrative.
As for NS, lowest paragon 138 clear is NA server Impulsive @ 4996 paragon on 14:56 min , followed by 137 clear @ 4850 paragon (LexyuTV) on 13: 22 min.
Highly doubt WW can replicate these clearings from EHP perspective.
These posts can not sustain tiny bit of In depth analysis.
WW Rend is subpar comparing to pre nerf chantodo, case closed
So what? What if barb can clear 144? What’s the problem? Check the leaderboards as it is now, wizard is way ahead of barbarian. Why can’t be the other way round? Even for a season?
People should be asking themselves these questions before coming to a PTR forum asking for nerfs for other classes.
I know a guy, who knows a guy who knows another guy, that guy’s brother’s friend was plowing 150 so in order to prevent barb nerf he closed the rift without finishing.
Still probably they will nerf wwrend thanks to trolls such as this OP here. I dont think the developers will consider logical feedback for such cases. They will just look at the most trolling posts and be done with the whining.
So pretty much you presume that a 10k Paragon with near perfect gear and max gems was able to do only 110 as WW before buff, and now he jumped to 140?
Then the buff is more than freaking welcome and needed if a maxed out toon on everything with a good build, couldn’t get past 110 - again according to your own words - before the buff.
Thank you for strengthening the weak and poor state the barbarian class was in before the buff <3
I know sweet FA about the more complicated inner workings but I can do arithmetic. At 5 points per paragon point 10,500 pp x 5 = 52,500pp
Unless something radical has changed in how they work, that’s approximately the same as adding another level 100 gem imbue 5 times more additively on each piece of gear than the majority of players in the game. At the least. Not everyone each season amasses 4K-5K paragons because they do not have that kind of time to play.
Someone I replied to in a thread recently suggested ‘it made little difference’. I would not mind that ‘little difference.’
OP, you sound like sour grapes. State your reasons and analysis on why WW Rend Barbarian needs to be adjusted. But not to bring a specific nerf for comparison. It is meaningless. There will always be class builds that are powerful.
For the record, I won’t roll a WW Barb in season 19 though it is perhaps one of the most powerful. I will likely roll the Aegis of Valor Crusader for fun.
That is a huge difference. I cleared 107 at 900ish paragon no augments as LoD meteorshower. Now 1.1k paraon, did 4 augs (111 = 555 int), and did 109 with 3m left (and that with 2 bad maps with horrible density and 3 packs of nightmarish which is a no-no for LoD meteor shower cause it makes you stop channeling and lose all stacks). If that is nothing or little difference then… maybe we’re not playing the same game. Also close to 10b toughness while channeling (and 6m sheet dmg).
When I will get full augs and 2k paragon I will most likely be doing 125+ (because of how LoD meteorshower works, you do same great dmg both to trash and to RG).
Totally agree.
I found it incredulous that anyone who thought that someone with at least 5,000 paragons more than the majority of the playing population would only make a ‘little difference.’
Wrong, top Chantodo Wizard before nerf did 135 GR on PTR, 137 was made by bazooka (clears from previous PTR haven’t been wiped). Currently the highest Chantodo Wizard clear after nerf is 131 on non season PTR.
Lets calculate then. This PTR rend was buffed compared to live by:
Wrath of the Wastes - 6-Piece Bonus: The damage bonus of 10,000% now also applies to Rend
Lamentation - Increases the damage of Rend by [150-200%]
Ambo’s Pride - Attacking with Whirlwind also applies Rend and the total damage of Rend is dealt over 1 second
So buff to rend is:
101 [6th piece of Wrath of the Wastes] x 3 [Lamentation] x 15 [Ambo’s Pride]= 4545 more damage
Rend deals 4545 more damage than on live server! It is equivalent of 53.6 GR levels (1.17^53.6 = 4545).
In other words rend was buffed by 53.6 greater rift levels! So if anyone can clear 96 GR with just rend on live server then after the buff he should be able to clear 150 GR.
In comparison two PTR’s ago Chantodo was buffed by a factor of 20 which is equivalent of 19.1 GR levels.
I compared the rankings of 130 and 125 grift clears on the current era in the America region. Wizards are clearly an outlier. It does not make a difference how one analyzes the data. The smaller the numbers mean the less powerful the class is for solo.*
This data is biased by the fact that some classes are played more than others and inclusion in the high end meta that affects legendary gem levels and gear augments.
This obviously isn’t the case, as the 10k Paragon with perfect gear and 150 gems and full augs at max lvl couldn’t even get remotely close to 150 even with the seasonal buff (which is HUGE).
You are way off. Like way way off. You are telling me that if I cleared GR100 with WW at 1.3k paragon, all I need to do next season is get the new legendary, adjust build, then I can jump straight into 140’s? I want what you’re smoking, must be damn good ^^
