I really do not understand what the fuss is all about.
I just scanned images of the Amazon & Sorceress from my original Diablo II User Manual. I also downloaded 2 images from a Google search of the Classic Diablo II Characters.:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1anOpUWW7jD48IeymCJOwtWnm1Tot-Jc7?usp=sharing
For one, the aesthetics of the Amazon are way out of proportion and looks unnatural. The Paladin appears to have always been darker skinned.
When I compare the “Classic Look” with the “Resurrected Look”, I think that I prefer the Resurrected Characters.
Really can’t wait for the September release!
The original models were not great, and did not age well when upscaled.
But, it is still easy to tell that:
The Sorceress always had darker, mid-Eastern skin complexion.
The Paladin has always been black.
And while the Assassin was not explicitly Asian, the inspiration for the class and her order was definitely Asian in origin, so it doesn’t change anything to make her Asian.
So in that respect, either nothing was changed, or a very minor change that is actually lore-compliant and fitting was applied.
As for the Amazon, her old in-game renders has collapsed cheeks, an extremely pointy lower half of her head, absurd anatomical proportions, and lips so red they put a clown’s to shame. The new model is, IMO, much better. Flawed? Perhaps. But not to the point of warranting this kind of mess, or demands to change it.
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You may think the new model is better, but this is a remaster. The old model is the basis; details are supposed to just increase. That’s all.
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Remaster is a buzzword and it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, it has no official and enforced definition in the video game world.
Some games, released as remasters, or titled as remasters outright, have major changes, including new stories, new chapters, new characters, completely overhauled gameplay, new items… the list goes on. You can do a lot to your game and still call it a remaster, because no one enforces any kind of definition on the terminology.
So no, you’re wrong. It being a remaster means nothing, not legally and certainly not in any other way.
Nor is there any obligation for a remaster to enhance without changing.
I’m not sure where you guys come up with these weird made-up rules for what Blizzard can and can’t do to their own game, or what remasters can and can’t be.
Please, stop writing this nonsense about bad models of the original.
We all know that 2000’s models look bad, but all these threads are not about that.
We don’t want to make copies of these 2000’s models and add them in 2021’s remaster.
We want the new models to catch look the old models:
1). Amazon - a young girl with a feminine face and a feminine body with clothes that are comfortable for running, without any ridiculous skirts.
2). Barbarian - a young and big jock, reminder of Arnold Schwarzenegger in his best years.
3). Sorceress - a young girl with beautiful feminine legs and with Isendra’s face from Diablo 3 (Because she is a true Sorceress from Diablo 2).
4). Paladin - a younger stern, swarthy (like a Greek, or similar peoples of the East) and shaven warrior.
5). Assassin - a young girl with pale face and not asian race (Because in great original she was white).
6). Druid - a young man with a leaner body.
7). Necromancer - a man who shouldn’t run like an old man and with a normal face, not a zombie face.
Covered butts, ugly and older female npc - the same nonsense.
Is it clear now?
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You lost any and all credibility you may have had on point #5. Disregarding the validity of anything else you may have said, it is at that exact moment it all collapses and your true motives reveal themselves.
So no, we will not “stop this nonsense”, and we will not be silent when many, many of us are completely fine with the new models. Unfortunately this is an open discussion thread and you will have to accept that countless people believe the models are fine, and are willing to argue against bad takes that border on racism.
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“MANY? of us are completely fine with the new models”
XD
Many? Really? XD
The fact MANY it’s a lot people who DON’T LIKE new ugly and old character models!
And we destroy this remaster on Metacritic like the terrible WarCraft 3 Refunded, if developers don’t change this stupid models.
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By the way, the Assassin in D2 is from the fictional country of Kehjistan, which is located on the eastern shores of the world. So, if anything, her original model was bad and did not match the lore. The Assassin is Eastern, so Asian is perfectly fitting.
Though Kehjistan has more trappings from the Middle-East overall, so if they wanted to match the actual lore of the game 1:1, they should make her match the Sorceress more.
Nah read this thread. We’re fine with the models. You guys are actually the vocal minority here.
Likes - it’s the opposite. As in the closed and most popular thread about the ugly Amazon - you are few.
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Xiansai was heavily isolated. Geographically (island) and culturally. How does the assasin, that grew up in a magic affine society, become heavily magic opposed? and especially join the Viz-Jaq’taar, which where located in kehijastan? you make no sense.
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Are you trying to say there’s only one country in the entire world where there can be Asian-looking people?
The Eastern Empire is huge.
In real life we have China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam and several other countries who all have different kinds of Asian looks. Asia is big. All of them are distinct from each other.
I’m still not seeing the problem.
The Assassin is from an order based in Kehjistan, aka the Eastern Empire, which covers an immense part of the eastern world. So there is no issue with the Assassin looking like she came from the east, because she is, in fact, from the eastern part of the world.
Xiansai had Asian-looking people. Great!
… so?
There can be more than one Asia-inspired tribe/clan/country/kingdom/empire/order.
get precise. what region are you talking of? let’s see how solid your knowledge about the lore really is. You were moking other people here based on it.
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Nah. It’s 3AM, I don’t gotta do anything.
You seem to be deflecting. Is there a problem? I just proved to you that the Assassin is from the east, the east is big, and there is no reason for the east to only have one single group of people that represents all of Asia, when Asia itself is a collection of countless cultures and countries, not a single group of people.
Soooo… what’s the argument here? Why can’t the Assassin and her people also be Asian, but represent a different part of Asia than Xiansai did?
what book/story did you get that information from exactly? as far as i know i only found concrete information about natalya and the Viz-Jaq’taar in general, but not specifically for d2’s assasin.
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The Assassin is explicitly from the Viz-Jaq’taar, and the Viz-Jaq’taar were based in Kehjistan. So unless the Viz-Jaq’taar recruited a foreigner (and there’s no indication they did, that feels like too important a detail to leave out if they did), then we must assume she is of the same descent as the rest of them were. Which places her in Kehjistan.
Not sure what you’re asking anymore. This isn’t new information. The only “new” thing about this is Blizzard deciding that the order borrows from Asian culture specifically, but we don’t know enough to say which part of Asia. Whereas with Li Ming and Xiansai it seems to be more explicitly Chinese than just vaguely “Asian”.
Either way, the assassins branched off the same culture as the mages, originally. Then they became two separate things when the assassins got paranoid about corruption. So it makes sense that the assassins share identical vaguely Asian roots, but XXXX years have set them apart as well.
I was asking specifically for the assasin. to my knowledge we dont have any concrete knowledge about her, hence i was asking. The Xian culture rather reminds me of Japan (isolation from the rest of the world), though that is open for interpretation. The pronounciation of the name is rather chinese i think?
The Xian and the Vizjerei (the mages you are referring to) are not the same. The vizjerei are located around caldeum, after the mage clan wars and the episode with bartuc they formed the Viz-Jaq’taar. I have no evidence of Xiansai’s involvement in that part. Those are complete different nations.
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Im pretty sure that if nothing changes, mods for face remodelling / change of character looks will be the first mods emerging from the community…
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Blizzard could just create 2 versions of character models. one in “xena” style and one in their new interpretation of how they should look like. they could just make that switchable.
Honestly i very much like the xena style, no reason to put that in a bad light
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The modders will definitely have this fixed by Day 2 of release. Its so sad they won’t change the models after it has been such a hot topic.
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