Well, they may have changed it. I don’t expect it but it’s possible. We’re supposed to get a character design and artstyle update at the end of this month.
No, he didn’t. Again, you resorting to trying to implicate people in racism or whatever, when I’m sure the vast majority just want the original for the sake of the original art by Blizzard North.
Oh really? Where are those “countless people”?
How come in both the original thread and this continuation, generally the posts in favor of more faithful recreations are well liked?
How come your posts and those of few others (yes, few, not “countless”), that are in favor of the retcon of the Assiasin and the Amazon, and are throwing blind accusations are not well liked? If anything, the only upvotes you seem to be getting is from the few others, that seem to share your sentiment, and I can literally count you on the fingers of one hand…
Please, explain this phenomenon.
So now that you’ve been countered on so many fronts, you’re trying to appeal to lore… and yet, what you’re saying makes no sense. You’re talking about a fictional world. In said fictional world, things don’t have to correspond to your ideas about the population.
Also, you seem to not take into account, that perhaps the individual know as the Assassin… perhaps was never born in said region, and made a journey, joined the order and acquired her skills there… because she wanted to? Or was raised there for some reason?
I wonder how you would be able to defend the Black Barbarian in D4 by using the same logic you’re applying to the D2 Assassin… by your standard, his very existence would be impossibility.
At the same time, I am perfectly fine with the Black Barbarian in D4.
You don’t seem to be able to make the distinction and understand how the lore in Diablo works. In D4 being an MMO, the characters are what we make of them.
In D1, D2 and D3, the characters are specific people.
You can make a Warrior in D1 and name him however you like, but the truth is, that there was only one warrior who fought Diablo during the events of D1 and his name is Aidan.
There was only one Sorceress, who fought Diablo during the events of D2 and her name is Isendra.
And there was only one Amazon, that fought Diablo during the events of D2. Her name was Cassia and she was young during the events of D2:
xxhttps://i.imgur.com/mAxDZ1o.jpg
So yes, turning the Assassin from Caucasian into Asian is a retcon;
turning the Amazon from young during the events of D2 to an old person is a retcon.
It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact, that you can’t seem to be able to wrap your mind around.
You’re not even trying to look at this from the perspective of an actual gamer, fan of Blizzard North. If you were, VV, under the supervision of Blizzard South changing the Blizzard North models would have left a bad taste in your mouth… and yet you seem to be completely fine with it.
I can only guess as to why is that… I imagine it’s likely, that you’ve never played the previous games, that you’re not fan of the series and the lore or the studio… and likely, that this is all you looking at this from the perspective of an ideology, that likes to accuse people of all manner of things…
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I sat down and made a list in the original thread. The first post and my post saying the art was odd got a lot of likes. It devolved from there though into the same 20-ish accounts liking the same few people who posted. Most of those accounts did not even post at all, just spammed likes.
Same here. You have a dedicated group of people, who have tried spam liking posts here, making new Reddit threads, etc. They post, like their posts or have their friends like the post, then crow that “it got more likes!”. Yes, the like squad liked it. We see the same people doing it - those few do not mean universal popularity.
Only to find that MOST people except them, just don’t give a darn. Nobody else, with a few exceptions, even tries to argue about it. They are sick of it.
When what was some genunie concern about the art turned into thinly (and not so thinly) veiled racism, “anti censorship”, etc… It really made people see what was driving the most vocal of the posts.
See - this is an organized effort and they are threatening group action SPAMMING a review site if they don’t get their sex appeal and pretty faces.
I really think Blizzard is well aware of this and is not going to give in to that kind of threat. I hope so anyway.
These kinds of people and this kind of sentiment, is what I think ruined it for anyone who had a legit art concern.
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I counted how many ppl like the new models and how many like the old ones in this thread and there’s more ppl that want the old ones and do not like the new ones. You’re off your rocker if you think more ppl like the lifeless new ones better.
There was like 6 ppl kinda on the fence that I split down the middle.
There’s ppl in this thread saying stuff like 'the chars gotta be like the new ones" and anyone who’s standing up for the original game is bad. You can’t make this crap up lol.
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Drium originally wrote something else, he just edited it after our conversation to suit the lore more. Parallely my first comment was deleted, in spite of it being about the lore.
Again, it makes no sense for the assasin to be Xian. Cain himself noted that the Xian people kept out of the mage clan wars (no connection to the Viz-Jaq’taar) and are culturally isolated. Aside the fact that magic usage is ingrained in their culture, which is the opposite of what the assasin/Viz-Jaaq’taar stand for .
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XD And again i see ridiculous nonsense… “sex appeal and pretty faces” = “following original art and character design of D2LOD”? Seriosly??? Miss Cheetah, you are sick?
Where do you all come from? Are you all relatives of Buzz Killington?))
Sure, sure, WarCraft 3 Refunded say hello to the ruined original game, with the spoiled functionality of the original game and spoiled graphics, as well as false promises to finalize the story cutscenes with main characters.
Of course, the fact that WarCraft 3 Refunded is such a bad game and such a bad remaster is not the fault of the Blizzard, but the players who still paid a lot of money for this odd job.
But WHAT A SURPRISE StarCraft Remastered - it’s a really good remaster without stupid nonsense, WHAT A SURPRISE!
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Nice writeup, it’s kinda like we’re arguing with children and having to watch them twist into pretzels lol.
They also like to report comments but don’t worry if your comment gets hidden it’s more a badge of honor when it doesn’t violate TOS. It only takes like 3 or 4 ppl to do that maybe - do don’t worry about it.
It’s easy to defend a game and the characters you love - just don’t violate TOS when they’re pulling their gaslighting BS.
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my comment was completely deleted as far as i know. i dont see where i violated TOS there, it was about the lore.
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OK, that would be a manipulation and I would be against it no matter whether it’s for or against what I’m saying.
However, let’s also realize, that if Blizzard really wanted to know what actual players thought of the models, they could have sent a survey to literally all the people who have D2 and/or D2 Resurrected in their battle net accounts, and would have gotten mostly genuine feedback.
I’d say it’s important to point out, that they haven’t done that.
Yep, that’s pretty bad.
But you can also see how some posters are were addressing me. I talk about lore, I talk about Blizzard North, I talk about shows, that had some at least vague influence on the art direction… I literally found what the original devs had as a goal… to have at least one character, that brings a bit of sex appeal… and yet they are arguing against me, as if I was the one behind the vailed racism and organized efforts to troll the company. Surely it’s not right.
People, who wanted their SC1 Remaster got their SC1 Remaster.
People, who wanted Classic WoW got their Classic WoW.
WC3 fans who wanted WC3 Reforged got… NVM, bad example 
On the one hand, I do hope Blizzard don’t give in to whatever organized trolls did. I’ve certainly seen some legitimate racist things on the internet surrounding D2R, I know it exists…
But on the other, I also hope, that Blizzard would be the kind of people, that would do the right thing for it’s fans. Why annoy legitimate fans just to spite some trolls on the internet and risk another fiasco?
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These forums are legit dead. The reddit poll done people mostly did not care.
You have to understand there are a dedicated group of people (a very tiny one) who come here to like the posts of eachother and pretend they represent MILLIONS of Diablo gamers. They don’t.
I don’t think most of them meant YOU specifically. I think they were talking about the folks like the one I pointed out who are all about the butts an sex appeal. A huge amount of the worst stuff got deleted in the other thread, but it certainly left a very clear impression on people and now sadly overtook whatever legit art concerns there were.
You are not behind it, but I will explain sometime off the forums why your comments about Asian culture really came off wrong. I don’t think it was on purpose, I think you just did not realize how others view things.
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I don’t see it that way, I think you’ve got a lot of ppl that are pissed about Vicarious Visions screwing too much with a perfectly good game.
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And why would reddit represent the millions of Diablo gamers? Reddit is a terrible site in so many ways, it’s not even funny… it’s the literal breeding ground for what you call organized effort to troll or sabotage games and companies… that site and some others like it.
Again:
Certainly!
Like you mentioned, that these forums here are relatively dead… the EU forums are even more dead, if at all possible.
I don’t think some posters realize, that people from the EU forums realized that long ago and they come here to post.
I’m not from the US and English is not my native language… and while I can write coherently for the most part, it’s certainly possible for me to leave someone with the wrong impression.
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There were about 45 active (repeating and participating) posters and likers combined in the other thread. I have a list. You are on it. Same people are in this thread.
The same group making the same comments and liking each others posts does not represent a large segment of the population! Reddit got sick of it and these forums got sick of it.
Yes, the art could use some work depending on how you view it, but the toxic element that hijacked genuine concerns ruined it.
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Maybe the can also make amazon face like this, just for fun 
https://i.imgur.com/UW2OkKO.jpeg
by Taylorar
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Yeah I remember you flip flopped on the issue cause I even quoted you sayin Azn’s look was jarring and needed to be changed. If ppl stopped gettin all tribal on this thing, the artists would just change it enough for ppl to be happy and that’d be the end of it.
Like think, if they just had the sense to make the models more authentic like the rest of the game in the first place you wouldnta heard a peep. Everyone’d be hunky dory.
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My comments were about the Amazon and yes, I did/do find it jarring. However the approach and comments some people used were not ok - and at this point I would rather just have the game released as is.
I’d be willin to bet me and you vote the same way at the polls but we look at this tribal stuff differently as a worldview. I don’t think politics should enter into sports or gaming, it’s like to me they should be places to unite ppl instead of dividing ya know? Like we need places that bring us together without politics or we just fight like cats and dogs everywhere and its no good it just gets worse. But when we have stuff like sports and gaming as our fun escapisms and celebrations we can unite and heal our divides more. I dunno but that’s how I feel and that’s why I want the D2 chars I love to be more authentic in D2R so I can at least recognize them in the newer models.
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When the feedback regarding the amazon was posted, blizzard/VV posted that they will look into the matter.
The problem is that since then there has been a constant flood with the same kind of comments in escalating tones. At some points you need to call certain, unrespectful ways to communicate out as not acceptable in a welcoming community. That has happened and is not dividing but putting up a firewall for the actual vulnerable people of a community who might not be the vocal persons to speak up, because of the constant backlash.
There are people who have their legitimate opinion on the subject. And they are on both sides. They both have been heard. It has been publicly acknowledged that it will be looked into. Let the artists do their job. They took that profession for a reason. They were selected by their employer for a reason. They were tasked with certain tasks by their supervisor for a reason. Their work results were reviewed (internally by the team) for a reason. And since then there has been feedback, which has been looked into or is still being looked into. The results of the review are either already there (in which case you have been heard, but other voices have prevailed) or the results are not there yet (in which case you might still see different results).
What more do you expect?
To me there seems to be neither patience not humility on the side of some complainers.
Both are needed for a community that brings people together without politics.
When this thing first broke ppl were freakin out and the game was just announced and the forums were kinda busy at the time. Most ppl just looked at it like the models are too far off from the originals and the art itself is pretty bad. Like MissCheetah had said Azn was jarring.
Character study art for models kinda evolves into traits of the character, like when they do conceptual art they do lists like:
personality
mannerisms
thought processes
Delineations that set it apart from other characters
The Azn almost always has a coiled pose where she’s full of emotion waiting to strike. She’s usually stabbing something lol. Or maybe about to stab something and maybe running to stab something or having her bow fully pulled back. She’s a very animated character with mannerisms that befit her younger self and her boundless energy.
They really screwed up carrying those original conceptual traits over with the new model and I think they know that now. It’s not really the look as much as the attitude ya know? Old Azn has SWAG. The new one has a really passive pose and her eyes are just lifeless, I dunno why they did it that way, it’s way off.
The BlizzNorth guys that did the D1 and D2 games roleplayed when they did stuff. They made the game they thought gamers would like, kinda like takin the tiger by the tail. D2R has CONTRACT artists that know nothing about anything and they just screwed up capturing that essence, and the community is letting them know.
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