Look What You've Done 😠

[NaveedLife-1786]

Exactly. Just found the Windforce actually! Never found a Zod though haha. For loot hunters, it is fun to have this hunt. For everyone else just having a fun play through, it is kind of nice to get only a handful of the uniques/sets/top tier rares and find different ones on a different play through, as this makes replays more interesting.

[Guillotine-11603]

loved this thread… gonna eat some popcorn

[anon88344807]

Ermm, just a simple suggestion

If/when something big happens, pls include a link in the @OP post of a topic cause… Sometimes people live under ar rock… :P, well, not literally but for about a period of couple-of/few days it is possible. From what could witnessed here I guess that there’s a new Quarterly Update that just came out ?

EDIT: Just checked the news section and nothing there… ?

[Shadout-2849]

@Strolln-1287

If there are zod like items why are we restricting trade? Just remove the AH and players are no longer buying every random upgrade cause it’s not as convenient to do. If players have to look up items at a 3rd party site and search for their specific item it won’t be cheap easy upgrades by “going to the AH”.

Looking items up at third party sites in PoE is pretty much just as easy as using an in-game AH.

[Oblivion-1520]

We’ve only had one quarterly update, which was back in late February. Our next quarterly update will be at the end of this month; if we’re to go by Blizzard’s statement that is.

So in short: No, you didn’t miss any new update regarding Diablo 4.

[Strolln-1287]

@Kilometer-11340

True.

Just imagine if D4 has trading:

https://i.imgur.com/amvdoiu.png

On my server that same $0.95 enigma goes for $60 right now. If we could keep bots out of Diablo games the rarity of these items would ensure that the price is less elastic.

Ya, I can find gear myself. I don’t get an enjoyment from buying gear but different people have different desires and situations than me.

More choices are always better than fewer.

[Atomsk-2375]

@Strolln-1287

More choices are always better than fewer.

Actually not always, only up to a certain point. There’s an interesting TED talk on the subject by Barry Schwartz called “The Paradox of Choice”.

[Shadout-2849]

@Atomsk-2375

Actually not always, only up to a certain point. There’s an interesting TED talk on the subject by Barry Schwartz called “The Paradox of Choice”.

While pretty interesting indeed, choices in games are not exactly the same as “real” choices. You can always, relatively easily, change your choices in games (even if it might require paying for a respec, rerolling or whatever). The cost/risk of choosing is not that significant in a game, and the anxiety of making a choice should be less severe.
So I’d say more choices generally are better in games.

But choices need to be meaningful and balanced to matter. Trading is not a meaningful choice. Trading always wins if it exists.

Further, since we are talking game design, you always have to ask yourself, is this choice fun? Does it add to the game or subtract from it? Trading subtracts from the game tbh. You get the ability to trade, but you lose a lot of the item hunting.

[Azimuth-2255]

@Strolln-1287

If there are zod like items why are we restricting trade?

To remove bots. And zodlike - just for hunt.

[bkwrm79-1487]

@Etix-2108

If they do not implement trade, you will have to find all your great items yourself.

Yes. If there’s no (or limited trade) you’ll have to get items by playing the game. Therefore it will have to be possible to get items by playing the game.

If they make trade a “feature” the worry is they will try to make people use it by making drops rarer than they ought to be, and we will have to engage in a tedious and unfun trading mini-game to get to the exploring places and killing demons parts.

[Shadout-2849]

@Etix-2108

If they do not implement trade, you will have to find all your great items yourself.

This is exactly part of the reason why we should not have trading.

[Beefhammer-1932]

His comment mad me think of that talk.

[Steve-6849]

@Cyonan-1183

Though I’m pretty sure Strolln’s point isn’t that Diablo should not involve a hero that fights, but rather that the game’s focus should be on RPG elements like character building with depth, tactical play in combat, and finding cool items over arcade brawling combat where every character feels the same.

And while there isn’t much in the way or character building because you can’t set your stats
if there is no tactical play in D3 what’s the point of META everyone in the META has a specific task in the make up and each is reliant on the other, if there is no tactics why meta, why not just all dps and go in
And I see a lot of loot drop in the game and finding cool items stop once you found them all.
It’s not like D2 has cool items and that’s held up as what a rpg should be

@Cyonan-1183

Pacifist runs are actually a thing on WoW. There’s even a guy who not only levels without fighting, but he’s neutral between the game’s two factions.

And in Diablo that’s called leeching

@Strolln-1287

Last I checked D2 had more pc players than D3.

Are you capable of telling the truth? The only people that know how many people play Diablo 3 is Blizzard and they don’t give out that information, so you are just saying D2 has more players than D3 to make yourself feel better

@Cyonan-1183

See, I can make up random crap too!

Now if only it wasn’t crap
Both of you are correct
both games are infected with bots but D2 players turn a blind eye to it and pretend it doesn’t exist

@Cyonan-1183

It’s not really staying true to the game if you’re getting loot by not actually playing it while a bot does everything for you.

Exact same thing can be said about D2
Does that mean that if I was to break the rules of Diablo and get my buddy to play the game on my computer while I’m at work nothing counts because I wasn’t the one playing the character

@Cyonan-1183

and nothing else should be entertained until somebody else comes up with a solution that will 100% remove botting.

And that solution is?
The whole reason cheats are in all games is because people are lazy and if there is a way to shortcut the game play they will
That’s how the bots and cheats start in the first place, human nature

@Strolln-1287

More choices are always better than fewer.

If that’s true why is there such an uproar over people wanting harder base difficulties in game than be stuck at a low T16 when compared to a GR 150

[Aax-2257]

@Strolln-1287

If we could keep bots out of Diablo games

Which you can’t do. So the discussion ends here.
Even kernel-level anticheats can’t prevent 3rd party algorithms from running. Look at Valorant - and this is not done by an inexperienced company.

I don’t know if you know, but creating cheats for new games is a multi-million dollar industry. Professional hackers work on it full-time and drive in Lamborghini for it. It’s much safer than hacking a bank.
And these people will break literally any defense. There really is NO WAY to prevent cheats and bots.

TLDR: you can’t prevent bots, so discussing any scenarios contingent on that is pointless.

@Strolln-1287

More choices are always better than fewer.

Not really. Sometimes more choices means that people don’t go for the most interesting one gameplay-wise.

In games, more choices is not a dogma.

@Steve-6849

The only people that know how many people play Diablo 3 is Blizzard

Afaik he is convinced that some 3rd party site keeps perfect track of that by hacking into Blizzard’s data center traffic to their login servers. Even though they disclaim that very thing themselves and basically say they’re not professionals and their data is crap.

But some people, when they want to believe a thing, will ignore all negative evidence.

[Steve-6849]

@Cyonan-1183

and nothing else should be entertained until somebody else comes up with a solution that will 100% remove botting.

That’s laughable considering that in another thread you stated

@Cyonan-1183

You can’t design a game in such a way that people wont want to cheat.

[Cyonan-1183]

@Steve-6849

And while there isn’t much in the way or character building because you can’t set your stats
if there is no tactical play in D3 what’s the point of META everyone in the META has a specific task in the make up and each is reliant on the other, if there is no tactics why meta, why not just all dps and go in
And I see a lot of loot drop in the game and finding cool items stop once you found them all.
It’s not like D2 has cool items and that’s held up as what a rpg should be

Tactical play isn’t about not having a meta. Anything governed by numbers will have a meta once we figure out what the most efficient numbers are.

Tactical play is about needing a more strategic approach and not just nuking everything down(which yes I know even Diablo 2 isn’t amazing for this).

@Steve-6849

And in Diablo that’s called leeching

No it’s not.

Leeching is specifically taking XP from other players while they do all the work and you stand around contributing nothing. Pacifist runs on WoW don’t group up with other players to hit max level.

They use the fact that mining ore or picking herbs offers a small amount of XP.

@Steve-6849

both games are infected with bots but D2 players turn a blind eye to it and pretend it doesn’t exist

I’m a D2 player and I don’t pretend it doesn’t exist. I regularly say that Blizzard is downright terrible at dealing with bots in both Diablo 2 and 3.

If you want to talk about honesty, it would help if you don’t make broad generalizations about entire playerbases.

@Steve-6849

And that solution is?

There isn’t a solution, and I was being sarcastic to poke fun at the logic of “I wont entertain any solution that doesn’t 100% remove all third party trading” that somebody used.

My point is that we shouldn’t design games around cheaters being some big bad bogeyman that’s going to ruin everything.

[Kilometer-11340]

@Etix-2108

With 5k paragon, you should be able to get primal on all your slots. With proper use of materials from bounties and stuff. Been close earlier with only 1200 paragon, so if you’re not able to do it with 5k paragon then you’ve got the worst luck possible, or you’re doing it wrong. Not meant to be a dick

You sure?

I just viewed the Seasonal Leaderboard No.1 Necro solo that has 6k paragon, and he only has 6 Primals over 13 slots, and the No.2 Necro with 5k paragon has 4 Primals over 13 slots.

In fact, the No.1 WD in non-seasonal that has 11k paragon only have 6 Primals as well.

If you don’t believe my words, you can check the leaderboard and see with your own eyes.

[Chosen-2702]

@Strolln-1287

Well, shucks man. I’m sorry it upsets you so much. That’s how I feel about D3, it’s trash compared to D2.

lol upset me? Why? The current iteration of the Diablo series is great! It’s got its problems, but overall I love it, I play every night and luckily there are enough people playing it to keep everyone interested.

From the looks of it, someone else seems to be upset. Someone else seems to be spending hours writing walls of text, multiquoting different people and finding it difficult to accept reality, for a game that is (quote) “hopeless, a lost cause”.

On topic, I am glad the cancer that is “open trading” ( → buying your way to leaderboards through Ebay) is long gone and I couldn’t care less about PvP. D4 seems to be on the right track and I can’t wait to get a piece of the action!

[PhearBunny-1825]

Its hard to say if the removal of trading was a negative or a positive.
I certainly miss trading.
I dont miss all that incentive to hack, and the 9million bots though.

Tough choice.(No sarcasm)

[Beefhammer-1932]

Last time you check into non official, non verifiable information. Translation: you feel D2 has more players because of your bias for the game. You have no information because Blizzard has never released that information.