Base idea: Any seasonal player upon joining a multiplayer game should no longer be eligible for solo leaderboards.
Reason: It is impossible for a true solo player to compete with players who have been playing 4 man setups for months in a season. It seems very unfair to me that a player with all level 150 legendary gems and augments (acquired through 4p rifts) can jump into a solo rift and enter the solo leaderboard at top position.
Gameplay: Essentially nothing changes, everybody plays any rift with any groups just as before. It is just that, only if you care about solo leaderboards, you do not join multiplayer games. Because if you do -from that point on- your solo clears simply will not be registered on the solo leaderboards.
Note1: Non seasonal game play is not effected, my proposed change is only for seasonal play.
Note2: It is probably a good idea to caution the players with a simple pop up about this situation the first time they try to enter a multiplayer game in season
Validation: For years many players have been asking for a solo self found game mode. The forums are filled with these requests. It may be that such a mode is too hard or time consuming to implement but the fact remains that this is a desired for D3. So I tried to come up with a compromise that would make people happy and is really easy to implement for the devs.
Thank you for taking the time to read. I am looking forward to your comments.
Ps: I am not a fanatic solo player, I enjoy both multiplayer and solo. I am proposing this change because I really believe in its merits.
SSF players can just make their own Reddit to post and discuss what clears they’ve achieved, and everyone else who plays the game as it is intended can go about their business without having their game impaired by snowflakes who think they’re special because of the way they play.
I made a post on the same topic. I agree completely, there’s no way to compete with a group of players who have played from the dawn of time with each-other.
It’s always the same players at the top who’ve played from the dawn of time together.
I pity anyone who takes leaderboards even the tiniest bit seriously…
No they’re not. It’s just the same 5-10 people spamming the same thread once every month or two. And I can’t even remember the last time one was made here.
2 man leaderboard: Only people who played with one other player the whole entire time will be allowed here. This means you cannot solo or play with more than 1 other player…
That’s the pattern you’re creating…
When we think of leaderboards, we think of the most capable players who have the best builds and strategies… I don’t think there would be a lot of people checking out the people who just play by themselves. Leaderboards are for competitive players… If you don’t do the most efficient thing to get the best gems and highest level, well… getting on leaderboards isn’t something for you.
I love it how this nonsense has been debunked essentially dozens of times and people still feel like banging their heads against the wall.
Nothing happens, because they dont argue an actual problem and propose an actual solution, but instead only focus on what they feel is keeping them from placing on the leaderboards.
and what exactly would you filter for, when there is no reason to assume any related data is even gathered to verify with whom you play ?
There is an achievement for group play that is available only in NS thus this is the verification. The solo LB would simply filter out the people that earned that achievement in the Season (which is hidden atm).
It’s literally a 1 hour coding time required for this to be made.
I say let Blizzard also create Leaderboards for Solo players who play 2 hours every week, 8 hours a month. I mean, why not?!?
They cannot compete with everyone else, because they have kids, and a job and … stuff like this, but they wanna show up in the leaderboards … OK?!?
That’s the idea - have a fair competition between all respective groups of players - casuals vs casuals, solo vs solo etc… Just like in boxing where you have weight categories.
Listen, if you are causal and you also want to be competitive … it’s not going to happen. Neither in real life or in games.
There is no…“fair” in being causal. Know your place please. No offense to the causals.
About your exemple in boxing, weight doesn’t mean they are causal lol. If you want to give an exemple, go like “Amateur Leagues”, be it in boxing, football, etc. But usually this are held by the …community. So there you go. If causals want an …Amateur League, they are free to make one.
You are way off here. I compete in HS with the best only by putting 20 hours a month into the game, because I have the skills. And HS is like 10 times more competitive than D3.
That’s what a lot of people want - their official league allowing them to compete without locking in the basement with their brothers.
You think that if you split these people up they won’t still put in the hours grinding paragon and dominate the solo leaderboards?
I was watching Raxx on twitch when he hit 5K paragon the other day, he said if he was playing solo he would probably hit 4K in a season. Do you think you can compete with that?
While I think it would be interesting to have a solo leaderboard, I don’t think it’s realistic to think that’s all you need to “compete”.
The more LBs making all types of skill checks you have in a game the better. Grinding and pushing is just one type of possible competition. I wrote all formats here:
Personally I think that being forced to make a decision whether you might want to play with other people or not is worse than having people who grind paragon in 4 man groups before pushing the solo leaderboards.
“Hey man, can you help me level my Necro?”
“No sorry, I’m playing in the anti-social league this season”
To me, that’s a much worse game experience for everyone.
If you want to play solo then go play solo, no-one is forcing you to group. Set your own targets for the season and beat them. Even if there was a solo leaderboard it would be exactly the same people at the top as it is now.
That’s why we need an SSF mode in D4. The example you gave would be avoided with an SSF - the player would just jump to the multi mode.
No, it won’t. You underestimate the portion of true solo players that are completely skipping D3 atm. And the portion of players that left D3 due to the endless paragon mechanic is super big too. These two groups of players haven’t been taken care of in D3 (although there were much discussions on the forums) and the game now has more bots playing on average than legit players.
Or they could be a development company and take the time to put in a game mode that a large portion of their players want.
I see nothing wrong with that.
Heck, I would be fine if they wanted to limit the LB to the top 250 solo self found if that somehow “takes resources” (consoles are not limited btw so I doubt it does).
The next development phase of D3 should be balancing all underperforming sets and adding legendary powers to all items without powers. After that, they should be working on adding SSF to the game if possible, and at the least adding a leaderboard for every class set in the game. That would allow players to play their way without the crutch of “META” (Yes, people are affected by that).
