I’d say the whole mechanic needs a revision, but it’s highly likely that they only tweak the set buff numbers. Anyhow, the bare minimum we must ask for is that the (4) and (6) piece stacks are merged into a single base mechanic (the one on the six piece). As a result it would be easier to keep the defensive buff alive. Regarding the figures, my gut feeling is that we need this set to provide 15%, maybe even 20% damage reduction per stack, so the total DR would be somewhere in the range between 60% and 80%.
But I would highly advise to also add built-in mobility to the set, ideally on the four piece.
Firebirds gain 80% DR for spamming Disint for a second; 20% DR per element should be just right or at the least buff Resistance by +50%~100% per element to gain that much DR AND extend the duration from the measly 8 seconds to 30 seconds! I sure dont wants to spam 4 skills every 8 seconds…
For mobility, Teleport is taken by Firebird. I suggest “increase movement speed” by 25% per element.
Movement speed is an option, but I would probably go for something like:
> Attacking with arcane, fire, cold or lightning reduces all damage taken by 20% for 14 seconds, stacking up to four times. As long as you maintain stacks, Wave of Force teleports you to your target before the shock wave is released.
A bit weird, but I think such a mechanic would be fun - especially for Tal Rasha.
So the machanic is similar to like a Monk with Epiphany… casting Cyclone Strike would teleport the monk beside the monster…
But what would that do when there are no enemies to teleport to? And if you teleport to a monster, it implies melee range skilll (ie Explosive Blast) and not usefull for Frozeon Orb build. FO has better range.
Nope, you don’t need a targeted enemy. It might be a bit misleading. Attacking just means casting an attack spell - like it is with the currect set.
As for “teleports you to your target”, I mean that you teleport to where the pointer is, similar to the Teleport skill. So maybe “destination” is a better wording.
In essence the intended effect would be pretty much like casting “Teleport, Calamity” while using Aetherwalker. You gain an AP consuming teleport skill that releases a Wave of Force. But now here’s the big difference - you have control over the elemental damage type. It’s not only Arcane (Calamity). WoF: Heat Wave for example is Fire. Within Tal Rasha that’s very valuable as it makes the whole skill selection more flexible.
Tal doesn’t need a rework to include a mobility buff, you’d just use the Illusionist passive for that. In fact, the playstyle of the set is fine right now. It only needs a hefty dmg buff and a rework of the 4p dmg reduction bonus. See my reply to another thread:
Illusionist is fine for pushes but insufficient for fast tier solo speeds.
Worst thing about solo farming on wizard IMO is that virtually all our builds except Firebird’s require 3 weapons for good DPS. This is fine for pushing, but it means there’s no room for Aether Walker in speeds without giving up big damage.
Firebird speeds are best for solo XP on wizard, but slow enough that they aren’t particularly efficient for gear and gem levels.
You can do Typhon’s Hydra or FO with Aether Walker, but then you have to go 10-15 tiers lower and the XP sucks. Better for gear/gems, but terrible for XP.
There’s a big gap between super speed 90s with Hydra/FO + Aether Walker vs. running slower but higher for XP with Firebird’s. And there’s not much to fill that gap. It’d be really nice if we had something to run somewhere in the middle, doing 2 min runs for decent XP instead of being stuck to 1-1.5 min runs for no XP or 3.5 min runs for big XP.
Manual Flame Blades is probably the best option right now for ‘faster runs on a lower tier than Firebird Mirror Images but still okay XP’, but it’s not quite fast enough for my taste. Way more enjoyable than Mirror Images. But the constant need to Disintegrate to get burns on slows it down a bit too much. Same problem DMO always had for speed farming, the need to constantly drop bubbles just slows it down a bit too much.
I’d love a rework to Tal’s that added Aether Walker-like mobility to help bridge that gap. It would make for a more balanced solo speedfarming experience. It doesn’t have to be as good for XP/hour as Firebird’s Mirror Images, but something that is still decent for XP but does faster runs on a bit lower tier so is better for gear/shards/gem levels would be very nice.
I see. The solution should be to add a damage multiplier to Aether Walker (applied for Xs after teleporting), as some have suggested. Of course, the multiplier should be lower than those of Wizardspike/Unstable Scepter, but high enough to make a build like Tal FO good for speedfarming.
This addresses the problem while leaving the playstyle of the set alone.
In contrast, this would not be as elegant of a solution since Tal was not intended to be a teleport-set. It would be eschewing the theme of the set as a crutch to expedite speedfarming. And I have the same issue with new Firebirds. There’s nothing thematically about Firebirds that says it should be about teleports. Old Firebirds was a much more polished set, like Tal is now.
None of our sets really was - with Vyr (Archon Teleport) being a slight exception… but is that really so important anymore? I’ll be frank here… buffing AW with a damage % is fine, I’m all for that. But still, Teleport requiring AW was also a point why I suggested using Wave of Force within Tal Rasha. That skill has no item support and we can just use it. You’d end up with mobility that works in Tal Rasha’s favor, since WoF has different elements based on the rune you fancy. That’s loads better than being bound to Arcane thanks to Calamity… in the end I would flat out redesign the whole set in a way that promotes multi-element and multi-skill use while keeping Auto-Meteors, e.g. like this:
Tal Rasha’s Elements:
(2) piece bonus: Applying or refreshing Elemental Exposure instantly drops a Meteor of the same element on the target. This can happen once every second for each element. Elemental Exposure stacks last 10 seconds and multiply Meteor damage dealt to an affected target.
(4) piece bonus: Casting an Arcane, Cold, Fire or Lightning skill grants Elemental Fury, reducing all damage taken by 20% for 10 seconds and stacking up to four times. At four stacks, switching between different elements resets the duration. While maintaining Elemental Fury, casting Wave of Force teleports you and releases the shockwave at your destination.
(6) piece bonus: Elemental Fury increases all damage dealt by XXXX% per stack. Elemental Exposure instantly deals XXXXX% weapon damage per applied element when you hit an affected target with an Arcane Power spending or generating skill.
But anything close to that is highly unlikely to happen. If anything they will just buff numbers and be done with it.
Hmm what do you mean by ‘anymore’? What do you think has changed to make it not so important now?
WoF doesn’t really need a helping hand. While it can’t serve as damage dealer, it finds use buffing arcane skills via its Arcane Attunement rune. Both Star Pact and twisters have benefited from this. Another issue is that the Teleport - Calamity animation looks quite similar to WoF’s, so it would be redundant to have both skills work as teleport.
This is too convoluted of a rework for what was originally a simple-working (therefore elegant) set. Also I really don’t enjoy this trend of tying entire set bonuses to a single random skill. Rather, sets should strive to incorporate multiple skills, with individual skills buffed by legendaries.
For Tal’s the theme should be the 4 elements. Insteading of forcing Elemental Exposure as a passive for the 2p, just have the 2p be a beefed up EE:
(2) Set: Gain the Elemental Exposure passive, and Elemental Exposure’s damage bonus per stack is increased to 10%. (this is the Primordial Soul effect)
Then as mentioned the 4p should be % dmg reduction, and the 6p a numbers buff:
(4) Set: Arcane, Cold, Fire, and Lightning attacks each reduce your damage taken by 15% for X seconds. (for 60% total)
(6) Set: Attacks increase your damage by 7500% for 8 seconds. Arcane, Cold, Fire, and Lightning attacks each add one stack. At 4 stacks, each different elemental attack extends the duration by 2 seconds, up to a maximum of 8 seconds.
Notice that now all 3 set bonuses have to do with stacking elemental stacks, with no other skills (Meteor, teleport) interfering.
Resistances @ 100% per is fine without much DR, maybe 10% per stack as this should still be our glass cannon speed like set. Which is why your increased movement makes perfect sense here, but maybe 15% per not 25% a little OP.
But all purpose heavy hitting damage set that needs multiple spells should have the damage numbers to back it up, thus 5000% per stack makes sense here.
The biggest issue with etherial hunt this season was there isn’t a 110 speed run in 2 mins build. I’d also say WD had the same issue. As people have mentioned tals is the perfect set for it a percentage of movement speed on the 4 pc would be really nice. Especially if it stacks with the scramble rune. (Going to be using karini right?)
My issue with tals is the mandatory 4 element spam. It’s like playing a piano. If each stack lasted 20+ seconds it would give a more relaxed play style. And a more consistent 6pc damage output.
The limited choices on your skills is another issue. We get 6 skill slots. 4 of them will need to be a different element. Between wizard skills and legendary powers there is a very fine illusion of choice. As has been mentioned 3/4 of those element skills will be doing 0 damage.
The last issue with tals is more a wizard issue in that all the power in legendarys comes on weapon/offhand. With exception of a couple rings, that compete with f/r. The pledge/rose set and squirt’s compete with tals having a neck slot. Forcing you to use other slots. The rrog is almost mandatory due to this. I would like to see an shoulders/boots Legos added. As generic wizard damage buff. Maybe something that with the 4-6pc bonus stacks were at 4 stacks you get xyz. These bonuses should be more qol bonuses and not just free damage(although free damage doesn’t hurt) but like x% attack speed, rcr, cdr, maybe the movement speed here instead of baked in set like suggestioned above.
Tals was one of my favorite sets when I started. I currently use the explosion blast t16 build for solo keys. Because I find farming paragons/gemups ect easier on other classes but still needed to hunt etherials on wiz.
Haven’t played Tal Rasha for years (apart from a challenge rift recently) but isn’t it so that once your 4 skill buff is up you only have to refresh two of them to keep going?
Have you guys not figured it out yet? Blizzard sets the meta… they nerf and buff…even completely revamp sets they either no longer want you to use or buff tf out of what they want to be meta…Tals used to be meta. The set has not changed since it came out. Vyrs is completely unchanged as well…I quit playing for awhile but I know Firebirds has been changed at least twice. I don’t remember other classes but looking at Natalya’s this season I think that one was changed.
I get your point… but honestly, in my opinion our Swiss Army Knife “set”, open for all skills, should be LoN/LoD. That aside, I have one big issue with your suggestion - you still leave the (4) piece and (6) piece stacks unlinked and there is no built-in mobility… including Elemental Exposure directly is fine with me, though. But how about doing this a little different than what you’d normally expect? How about turning Elemental Exposure into an aura with the Tal Rasha set? Maybe like this:
(2) piece bonus: For 8 seconds after attacking with Arcane, Cold, Fire or Lighting you emanate an aura that applies Elemental Exposure of the respective element to all enemies within 20 yards. While on four stacks, switching between different elemental attacks extends the duration of the elemental aura by 2 seconds. Doubles the damage bonus of Elemental Exposure stacks.
(4) piece bonus: The elemental aura increases your Movement Speed by XX% and reduces all damage taken by YY%. Allies inside the aura gain half benefit.
(6) piece bonus: The elemental aura increases your damage dealt by 7500% per stack and your pickup radius increases the area of effect.
Frozen Orb
This is currently taken by DMO. I dont like using this skill for Tal Rasha or we might end up like monk’s SWK outcompeting PoJ for Tempest Rush.
Explosive Blast
This used to be a TR build long time ago. Current Items can boost EB damage by x5 (Woh), x4 (WoH additional blasts) and x1.4 (OoID). But the Skill is short range and Cooldown dependent it hurts. Maybe redo OoID to reduce EB cooldown by 50%?
Meteor
Currently we have a Boots that boost damage by 900%. Unfortunately, that is all there is to it: No Orb, no Weapon to support Meteor.
Other skills
Lightning: Blizz killed Manald Heal, this is no longer viable, and too OP for just a single item.
Electrocute: not viable
Wave of Force: No support items
Signature Skill?