because its more obvious/doesn’t leave anything out of a new players view, and people want hidden bugs that offer them advantages so they can remain on top.
There are probably ways to fix/replace WSG. It’s just that there is no point in doing so really. WSG doesn’t negatively impact people, it only makes PvP better.
To answer your question regarding diminishing returns, it would heavily change some PvP matchups, as the skill that makes the stun animation for some classes come from a damaging ability, whilst from a zero or close to zero damaging ability for others. So tankier builds would be able to face tank those who have their stuns on non-damading skills and thus not pose a threat to them anymore, in opposition to what they currently do.
Ok that makes sense. Can you give me a for instance on a specific skill that might unfairly suffer?
Like obviously mind blast but diminishing an op skill doesn’t seem unfair. Is there damage based skills that can approach the same level of stun lock?
Well, mind blast doesn’t become as OP due to the possibility of WSG, that’s the beauty of it.
Another one could be Leap. In rare occasions even Telekinesis.
Fireblast/firebolt as sorc has a high fcr. If they go for 200 fcr it’s even crazier.
I’m sure there are plenty more situations, but this is just from the top of my head
Are all of these builds still effect somewhat against some one using WSG? Cuz the counter argument there would be that it prevents viability right?
Yes, because WSG can be utilized to different degrees. I probably should have mentioned that earlier. You can be horrible, decent, good and an expert at using WSG, both in terms of when to use it and how fast you are at using it. So it essentially increases the skill ceiling for PvP’ers. It’s not just something you “turn on or off”, it’s something you can practice and progress with over time.
By for instance swapping WSG with diminishing returns the game is then “doing” the WSG for you and you cannot impact it to any degree, thus removing any shape of skill involved with it and lowering the ceiling for PvP compared to today
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This is the best argument yet. I can’t say I honestly think any of it will effect me one way or the other unless some sin stun locks me as I turn tail and run… but potentially our intelligent discussion and your willingness to consider my counter arguments might convince others (or even VV wink)
Sigh think of what we could accomplish if everyone was willing to make respectful arguments this way rather than just saying “nooo my way only”!!!
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You both disgust me, ruining the forum PvP meta.
I’m sorry we failed you 
It really boils down to “Don’t try to fix what isn’t broken”.
As things are currently in Legacy D2, every class has viable PvP builds.
Tinkering with WSG or fhr breakpoints and skill balance has a huge risk to backfire in a really bad way.
So taking the risk just for the sake of having it work without a glitch, while not actually improving anything even if it ends up working is simply not worth it at all.
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I tried to encourage them to get some suggestions how to balance pvp better instead of glitch abuse and got back just hostility and toxicity. If you dont agree with them they will try to find any excuse possible to tell you how you dont understand the issues.
They dont care about anything else, they want just to keep abusing WSG, they dont care about proper pvp balance.
At nerfing and buffing skill and how magic properties interact in pvp.
I would argue that in some ways it is broken. Just because it was hobbling along for 20 years like that doesn’t mean it wasn’t broke. The problem here is people are unwilling to risk the time and possible side effects of fixing what is actually broken which is the balancing.
I concede that allowing WSG is easier and I think they should bring it back. But I also think that there is a world where a balance patch would be a positive thing. I get that this seems unlikely to folks though but perhaps it’s better done down the road a bit when vanilla d2r gets stale for a large portion of the population like I think it will
Werent intended but left in the game for over 20 years.?
Make it make sense please
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yea
left in because they were in maintenance mode for like 15 years… everyone use the 20 year argument as if just cuz blizzard stopped doing any updating that means it was meant to be that way.
come on thats a terrible argument.
They should bring WSG back probably but dont tell me simply that the reason they should do so is because it was never fixed.
They never fixed alot of broken shizzz thats cuz they literally stopped fixing everything.
that doesn’t mean those things couldnt benefit from fixes now.
In all honesty I dont think people would mind skill rebalancing, or even another expansion down the line. Issue is they want to know that devs are up to the task. For now I think most of the “purists” (that includes me) want somewhat seamless transition from old D2 to D2RE. Once VV proves that they can achieve that, they will gain enough players thrust to make them more open minded about changes. Balancing skills is about the hardest part to do. Game have many group of players and changing skills for one of them will also affect another to different degree. So yes it is better to bring back WSG than starting to mess up with balancing skills on the very beginning. Look at it that way - if you restoring classic car you dont start by installing nitro in it.
They literally removed it and added it back in due to backlash.
So it was a bug that BECAME a feature.
PoTiOnS ArE ImBaLaNcEd PlZ rEmOvE tHeM tOo
I’m actually all for the rebalancing of potions, especially the rejuv potions, both full and regular
Theres a reason why people dont touch up Picassos paintings even though they’re old. In the prcoess of changing things you end up losing the games essence and what makes the game special. Flaws and all. I dont understand why some can’t seem to understand this man.