I was against Ploot. I changed my mind

[Jnaathra-1746]

I have zero problem with Ploot and I played the original D2 like a damn addict. I had three accounts full of characters and stuff. Games are always more fun when the encourage you to group. D2 is great fun, but it creates a atmosphere of being super paranoid about drops when you are playing with others.

[NumberZERO-11387]

Yup I agree with this 100% and that’s the main reason I will not be grouping at all in this game… and a lot of people probably will do the same. The more I think about it the more it seems like ploot would actually be good for the game in the sense that more people would be grouping, thus the game would stay more lively. Let’s face it the only people who enjoyed FFA loot back in the day were probably the ones stealing it all… I’m not sure why people are so hyperfocused on how ploot would break the game but it wouldn’t. FFA loot has always been annoying and I’ve always solo played for that exact reason (and will continue to do so). But hey it’s whatever y’all want I’ll enjoy myself either way.

[TorriscoESP-2260]

Rod Ferguson opened the door to ploot after 23rd and everyone is raging and whinning again on twitter…

[RocknRolla-11718]

@Ubiquitous-1242

It actually backs it up. The reason I switched from being against Ploot to being open to it is that I don’t want the most efficient way to farm loot to be solo. I want to play online but Im not going to waste time on less desirable farming methods.

This player gets it. If I wanted the most optimal way to farm loot I would play solo (which I am going to do). I would like an option in public games so I can socialize while making new friends without having to worry about getting all the loot stolen from cheaters like bots and pickit players.

[Fury-1440]

@RocknRolla-11718

@Ubiquitous-1242

It actually backs it up. The reason I switched from being against Ploot to being open to it is that I don’t want the most efficient way to farm loot to be solo. I want to play online but Im not going to waste time on less desirable farming methods.

You kinda did… you said…
“if you are solo you have 1/8 the chance for that ber to even drop in the first place silly, it only dropped because you were in multiplayer”

This player gets it. If I wanted the most optimal way to farm loot I would play solo (which I am going to do). I would like an option in public games so I can socialize while making new friends without having to worry about getting all the loot stolen from cheaters like bots and pickit players

No he doesn’t. Many of his arguments are completely invalid and he has yet to prove to me why he was against ploot in the first place as all of his reasonings for pro-ploots are the exact same reason why so many people are against it. I won’t go into details as this topic has been discussed numerous times over the last few months.

• 8 players doesn’t give you 800% drop increase. In fact it’s 450% and this number does not affect super uniques, uniques, and champions. Bosses on the other hand are different. For details google Diablowiki Player_Settings.

• Ploot will be only effective in quests, normal - hell rushes, and Baal runs. It’s terrible for mf runs unless the parties managed to stay on the “same path” while “everyone” is cooperating. Each mf routes are usually done under 3 minutes and I don’t see how a group run would be effective. This isn’t like Diablo 3 Greater Rifts.

• OP wants same drop for all members in the party. This suggestion is simply not very thoughtful and I won’t even comment on it

[RocknRolla-11718]

@Fury-1440

No he doesn’t. Many of his arguments are completely invalid and he has yet to prove to me why he was against ploot in the first place as all of his reasonings for pro-ploots are the exact same reason why so many people are against it. I won’t go into details as this topic has been discussed numerous times over the last few months.

It did for what I wrote for:

@Ubiquitous-1242

It actually backs it up. The reason I switched from being against Ploot to being open to it is that I don’t want the most efficient way to farm loot to be solo. I want to play online but Im not going to waste time on less desirable farming methods.

Soloing is the most efficient way to farm for loot.

[Fury-1440]

@RocknRolla-11718

@Ubiquitous-1242

It actually backs it up. The reason I switched from being against Ploot to being open to it is that I don’t want the most efficient way to farm loot to be solo. I want to play online but Im not going to waste time on less desirable farming methods.

Soloing is the most efficient way to farm for loot.

Only way to achieve this is to complete redesign of D2. Group play has always been for levelling. Efficient group mf runs require new features like Greater Rifts or bounties where rewards are given for the fastest finish time. This doesn’t work for D2 and I hope it never does.

[Shadout-2849]

@Atma-1573

as there is still no logical response about someone leaving party and killing.

Party would not matter for any of this, just like it doesn’t in FFA.

[TheImp-1688]

firstly this isn’t what ploot advocates were talking about. I have a hard time siding with them on what they were asking for just based on their posts. We obviously have a difference of opinion here.

That said, I think this is a topic that ploot and faa agree is a bad idea. Thanks for at least uniting 99.999999% people on this forum.

[blash-1917]

@Jerhyu-1590

No reason to assume POE style. They’ll be lazy, and go D3 style.

“no reason to assume X. So let’s assume Y for assumed, unrelated reason Z without a reason.”

@Atma-1573

I see you are great at taking things out of context.

That’s hilarious because i literally quoted your entire context.

@Atma-1573

Funny that the title is “when an argument falls apart” , as there is still no logical response about someone leaving party and killing.

There was.
Same logic as in FFA. When someone leaves the party, the loot will still be distributed to everyone in range of the kill. Party does not have a role in ploot allocation.
Very simple, very en par with FFA, no abusability (that is not already possible in FFA).

[RocknRolla-11718]

@TheImp-1688

firstly this isn’t what ploot advocates were talking about. I have a hard time siding with them on what they were asking for just based on their posts. We obviously have a difference of opinion here.

That said, I think this is a topic that ploot and faa agree is a bad idea. Thanks for at least uniting 99.999999 people on this forum.

Well here is my message message that Rog Fergusson (the one in charge with the Diablo franchise) responded to me with a couple days ago, this is the most agreed upon system for the option so far:

https://twitter.com/Portal_Ingress/status/1438626059553968128?s=20

Rod Fergusson

It’s for an optional system of a 2 second allocation time for an item then it becomes FFA.

[Synergy-2575]

Only problem i have with FFA is that people will use auto-clicker and having lowest ping to server probably gives you the best chance to get the item that drops. Not very fair.

[TheImp-1688]

Yeah I could see that work but it’s still not ideal.

• at that point you have a whole bunch of people waiting for the drop to be active. It actually makes decreases the odds for you.
• if a bot is in the game, they’ll most likely be the ones that wins the toss. I mean chances are they would have one it anyway but i’ve beaten bots to loot lots of time before. Granted this is an assumption the person who has dibs isn’t paying attention.
• I just don’t like gatekeeping loot but this is maybe more of a personal reason. I think most FFA’s feel this way. You want to make your own luck than let RNG decide.

All in all this is probably the best ploot method of the the lot.

[RocknRolla-11718]

@TheImp-1688

at that point you have a whole bunch of people waiting for the drop to be active. It actually makes decreases the odds for you.

The item for 2 seconds is invisible because it’s personal.

[Atma-1573]

@blash-1917

Same logic as in FFA. When someone leaves the party, the loot will still be distributed to everyone in range of the kill.

Except this is not how it works. When someone is not is your party and makes the kill you do not get drops, its not your kill.

[Shadout-2849]

@Atma-1573

Except this is not how it works. When someone is not is your party and makes the kill you do not get drops, its not your kill

How is that not how it works?

And it very much can be your kill. Two unpartied people can both attack the same monster.

You claimed nobody had answered you about parties, and then when people do, your response is to say it isn’t how it works?

[iSkill-11387]

@MerLock-1557

Not confused bro. So many old geezers here stuck in their huts fearing to go outside due to change. So much crying, so much fear. You know what they say, can’t teach an old dog new tricks so lets cry a river.

Trying to put it on me? Hahaha sure you’re like 15. Don’t worry, some day you will be able to stop crying that harsh and make things right as they are. For now, you are not obligated to play D2 cos it’s not as your mommy told you.

[MerLock-1557]

I so agree with you man. So many oldies who can’t deal with change and all we hear is wah wah wah. /sigh

That’s why we got to move on to D2R and for those who just can’t hang, they can keep to the classic D2 like you said. Those like us who can move on are not obligated to play old school D2.

[Yuyuko-1460]

Game needs Ploot. It was originally designed to have it.

All Ploot does is make you not have to care about drops. So you don’t do things that sabotage your team just to get loot. If they don’t change it I will do things like go to town to declare hostility during a baal run and kill every player in the damn game to ensure drops because I will be using a ranged class. Ranged classes don’t get loot in this game the way it is.

This is what killed the game originally. As the majority of the community don’t play on battlenet. They play single player so other people don’t ruin their experience. They also play in password lobbies so other players and bots don’t ruin their experience.

Here’s all Ploot is for those lacking brain cells. Absolutely nothing about the game changes, but whenever a drop you are close enough to get exp happens. It assigns it to a random player who got xp for the kill. They can also do things like not give people who are too underleveled any gear or exp at all.

This will change nothing about the economy or any of that garbage excuses people have been spouting. Since the system will work more or less the same but people don’t have reasons to do underhanded things during the game to get gear. So that you can work together as a team and play the game.

This will also cause more people to actually play with each other. Since in this case there will be less reasons not to. There was a time where there were so many games active that the bots couldn’t spam fast enough to encounter them that often. The number of bots haven’t really changed, but the number of players have. That’s why the game has almost nothing but bots now.

It gives people a fair chance to get loot. Rather than maintain an unfair method to get loot that encourages cheating to get it. That’s all FFA Loot is. There wouldn’t be half as many cheaters in the game if the game had Ploot from the beginning.

Many cheaters were born from not getting gear in public games due to the unfair system. So they said screw it and hacked it in. Some of them even used rules like anything I see in a game I’m copying and that’s it.

Now rather the current system does match the lore of the world quite well. In practice it does not make the game better in any way. It is a major flaw that stopped the game from growing decades ago. Along with the discontinued content. Also the elemental unbalances had something to do with that as well. As the last areas being made in the unreleased expansion was a place full of lightning immunities.

I’ve played this game longer than probably a good chunk of the people on this forums combined and I can admit to the flaws the game has pretty easily. Not admitting them for selfish reasons will ruin the game though. As I can tell some people may be motivated by trading websites to have the opinions they do. Not for the betterment of the game. They definitely should be ignored and probably watched so you can ban them.

The game needs Ploot if it wants a community to actually play the game. It doesn’t need to be a choice. Ploot is just better in every single possible way. Since it’s the same but everyone in the game overall gets equal distribution. Hell even a rolling system would have been better than FFA Loot. FFA Loot is the worst loot system I have ever seen in a game. To the point where I have to make rules with my friends to make it bearable.

[Fury-1440]

@Yuyuko-1460

Here’s all Ploot is for those lacking brain cells.

@Yuyuko-1460

This will change nothing about the economy or any of that garbage excuses people have been spouting.

@Yuyuko-1460

The game needs Ploot if it wants a community to actually play the game. It doesn’t need to be a choice. Ploot is just better in every single possible way.

Yeah you must be very smart.
You can spout your garbage opinion as much as you like but most of us don’t care.