I was against Ploot. I changed my mind

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@Yuyuko-1460

Except Stamina he kinda forgot about why they added that one.

They added it so that the player didnt have the feeling to be able to run away from everything.
It is explained here:

https://youtu.be/t5lWxo3rjvM?t=1500

@aNdRi3-21842

Ploot would mean that I am going to play the whole game alone

Why? You can still play FFA mode. So you are saying you would change your entire approach to the game because of a system you are not even playing?
Seems kinda irrational.

@aNdRi3-21842

-If 20 items drop, from which 1 stone of jordan, the players would have to rely on an rng system for the SOJ to fall in his/her hands. I prefer not putting my loot in the hands of a secondary RNG system after finally getting lucky from the first one.
-If they make it so each player gets the regular drop rate = the market will be flooded with too many items aka the multi end-game is going to be broken.

So your “arguments” against ploot are:

• if something good drops, i have a fair chance to get it, as opposed to: everytime something drops, i have to frantically click to have a chance that if it is something good it will end up in my inventory. 2 points for effort. 0 points for logic
• ploot would flood the economy… yeah, we never heard that one before… yawn

@Shadout-2849

All loot generation remain 100% unchanged. Including MF etc.
Items drop. Exact same items that would drop in FFA also drops here.

/roll 1-X, where X is players nearby (for example within XP range).
Some number is rolled.
The item drops on the ground. ALL players can see the item.
Only one person can loot it (the winner of the roll). For others, the item text/icon is greyed out to signify they can’t.
If the winner of the item picks it up, our example ends there.
If the winner does not pick up the item within X seconds, OR move away from the area where the item dropped (including leaving the game of course), the item turns FFA. It stops being greyed out for everyone else and they can all attempt to pick it up first as with FFA.

The end.

@Atma-1573

Are you trying to say that with ploot, you can join someones game and even though they do not party with you, you can walk behind them and be eligible to take away their drops? That is just dumb.

Yes. And i agree that it is not ideal. But you also have to agree that the exact same is also possible in FFA mode. With the slight difference that in FFA mode you can actually take away 8/8 of the loot from the party, while in ploot you can only take 1/8.

Is it ideal? No. Is it better? Yes, definitely.

@Yuyuko-1460

Actually that’s not how it would work. You would need to be in the same party or you wouldn’t get the experience necessary to get loot to begin with. Since getting experience would be necessary to get loot in this system. Which you would even if you were max level.

No, that is not how it works.
Linking ploot to party-membership is open for griefing. People could just leave their party shortly before a boss kill and take the killing blow to receive all 8/8 of the loot.
That is why we decided to take the example of FFA loot to make the loot allocation not take party into account.
It is an edge case anyway and i’d rather fix the “player takes 8/8 of all the loot and then leaves the game” case than to fix the “some guy runs behind the party for the entire game without them not declaring hostility to them and is taking 1/8 of the loot” case.

@Atma-1573

and so once again we go back to this

No, we dont go back to this, because you already got your logical response.

@Butasaru-2491

i think you guys understimate the personal loot RNG and how dificult and time consuming it’s to find ONE TIME the expensive item.

And you underestimate that solo MF will still be the main way to get equipment.
Again: we are not asking for an efficient way to farm items. We are asking for an enjoyable and cooperative experience.

@Butasaru-2491

even Rob said in twitter post that they are not going to use personal loot.

Nope, he didnt and we have told you several times already. So many times that Rob himself has made it clear that the discussion will be taken after the 23rd.

Stop spreading false information.

@Atma-1573

Nothing changes ? in ffa game ALL 8 PLAYERS have access to that high rune, on ploot runs ONLY 1 PLAYER does. It would take 8 x more runs to see a high rune with ploot. Math is easy.

Access/Chance does not mean that they get it.
You are arguing as if all 8 players get that precious item. They are not. It takes them 8x more runs to get that item for every player in both cases. (or even more)
Your perception of the loots in FFA is misguided. Seeing != picking up.

@Atma-1573

Math is easy.

It is. But you seem to struggle with it.

@LightningYu-2352

Well maybe than you should close your mouth so you don’t hear yourself and focus on the topic instead.

@Orrion-1999

So you think it’s good gameplay to stop killing bosses when they’re low health and prepare to spam click the ground?

I think LightningYu mistook Orrions “crybaby”-post for an anti-ploot post.