From the Barb Community: DO NOT NERF REND

[MicroRNA-1507]

@Phoenix-1330

Also worth noting again, that Micro was happy for Wiz to be at GR141, as long as Barbs were at 138.

I would like to clarify what I actually wrote. It seems to be different than what you are “noting again”.

@MicroRNA-1507

Let’s assume these nerfs take these two classes to 141 (or even a hair lower). You bring up barb and monk to at least 138 but not past 141. All classes are within 3 GR.

[Nick-19143]

This thread is awesome, about twice the # of replies as the Diablo lV Official Announcement Discussion

Repeal Rend nerf

[GhostDragon-190226]

@MicroRNA-1507

@Phoenix-1330

Also worth noting again, that Micro was happy for Wiz to be at GR141, as long as Barbs were at 138.

I would like to clarify what I actually wrote. It seems to be different than what you are “noting again”.

@MicroRNA-1507

Let’s assume these nerfs take these two classes to 141 (or even a hair lower). You bring up barb and monk to at least 138 but not past 141. All classes are within 3 GR.

A distinction without a difference.

[Phoenix-1330]

@GhostDragon-190226

A distinction without a difference.

Ironically he is making my point for me

[JEB90-1994]

@MicroRNA-1507

Let’s assume these nerfs take these two classes to 141 (or even a hair lower). You bring up barb and monk to at least 138 but not past 141. All classes are within 3 GR.

Riddle me this Batman—what’s wrong with barb and monk at 144 in your scenario? By my, admittedly hasty, math, that’s still within 3, no?

[MicroRNA-1507]

I considered all 7 classes. Two classes were below 138 (barbs and monks). Two classes were above 141. The rest were 138-141. I chose the 138-141 range that required the least number of adjustments in consideration of the top 2 classes were already being nerfed. I hope that this helps to clarify the rationale for making my statement. Also, I said barbs could be 141, the top of the range.

The elusive question is what do you predict to be the top non-season barb GR clears if the initial patch goes live with 200% rend damage on lamentation?

We know 140 is doable and you can see what a top barb in the current era thinks.

Message from the guy who cleared 140 on PTR

So, I have been silent for a moment here, watching everyone using my own words to justify his own point, quoting me, making me say things I didn’t say. At some point, this is pissing me off. I will just go point by point (sorry in advance, my english isn’t perfect). People are saying my rift was perfect and that I was lying about the fact that ww could do 144/5. Facts : this wood is straightline layout, with sewer layout at the start. Conduit came very late. Best mobtype ? Yes. What could e…

[GhostDragon-190226]

@MicroRNA-1507

I considered all 7 classes. Two classes were below 138 (barbs and monks). Two classes were above 141. The rest were 138-141. I chose the 138-141 range that required the least number of adjustments in consideration of the top 2 classes were already being nerfed.

And yet you STILL can’t see the utter hypocrisy of your actions…

I’ll edit my post for clarity unlike the one above, At this time it shows one but is at least 4, the quote above is the original post he made. As you can see it clearly has changed. He then repeatedly changes his posts altering the tone and point without declaring what was an edit and why. ALWAYS quote him when replying. Lets see if it lets me add his full new post

From the Barb Community: DO NOT NERF REND

I considered all 7 classes. Two classes were below 138 (barbs and monks). Two classes were above 141. The rest were 138-141. I chose the 138-141 range that required the least number of adjustments in consideration of the top 2 classes were already being nerfed. I hope that this helps to clarify the rationale for making my statement. Also, I said barbs could be 141, the top of the range. The elusive question is what do you predict to be the top non-season barb GR clears if the initial patch goes…

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[Prology-1426]

TLDR. he said he was WRONG about comparing WW barb to Bazooka.
WRONG --> Micro read that one MORE TIME. next time you quote him add that part. LEAVE this discussion now and start your own pro nerf post with all of your accounts. we both know it will get less views but coming in here to get your message across because this thread IN FAVOR of barb WW has the numbers is trolling. plain and simple. argue your cons in your nerf ww threads, no one in here wants to see it.

[Meteorblade-2266]

@MicroRNA-1507

I would like to clarify what I actually wrote

You appear to have misspelled “confirm”.

[Grumeral-2664]

What is the point? Let the people try this belt with 200% and look after the season if changes are really necessary.

[Free-1746]

OMFG I spit water across my desk.

Best in Show goes to Prokahn, 2019.

@Flansy-1510

How much to get this printed and framed?

Asking for a friend?

@Salamandra-1698

I heard that bazooka nerf was -7 GR levels of damage (i’m not sure), so they ate the same nerf that lamentation.

@Flansy-1510

That sounds great, until you realize wiz-7=140, where barb-7=133. Not really the same thing there.

These two quotes go well together.

@Gasnick-2400

Actually Wiz cleared a 148 GR so -7 is 141 GR…

And this is even better…

@Salamandra-1698

that is why they don’t have to nerf lamentation

Bingo!

My man!

: D

@Jako-1213

Probably only a few GRs tbh. It’s a buff, sure. Whirlwind will be stronger. But it’ll still require a lot of fishing for mediocre results. Which defeats the point of buffing the build in my opinion. It needed a 10+ GR buff, not a 3 GR buff.

Yes, yes, yes.

@Laevathein-2157

That’s what it feels to me: some people just want to prevent others from having fun with their toys.

That is precisely what I feel when someone starts in about “balance.”

@Morred-1704

Another sane vote: Repeal the Lami nerf, save the barbarians!

Luv ya!

@helloyou-11153

Un-nerf the barb!! We will accept no less than 200% on lamentation!

Luv ya!

@Nick-19143

This thread is awesome, about twice the # of replies as the Diablo lV Official Announcement Discussion

KEEP IT GOING!

@JEB90-1994

Riddle me this Batman

He can’t. Not without a chart that resembles Excel on acid.

[Bassdude-1227]

I know a lot of people are saying it should not matter what words are accidentally used. Actually in anything delicate, they should.
To illustrate, if the department of meteorology said 'There will be a mild tremor tomorrow along the San Andreas fault" and it turned out to be a category 10 with San Francisco falling into the ocean, somehow I do not think people would consider that as only being a small understatement.

Small when speaking of numbers, means to use small numbers, being those which are ineffectual. I agree with anyone that says 200% going down to zero cannot remotely be considered ‘small’. The belt also hits twice with the 200% (or now 0%) - even I can do that math.
Seven greater rifts over 140 is not small. One or two is.

[vorkosigan-21770]

Hello, yes, I put the clip and it was very funny when he did it in the stream (there was an original link, but it was pointing to all VOD like 6h). I thought it was obvious a sarcasm from Fluffy about some parts of a thread where he was called a clown, and some people think he has some backdoor with Blizz developers (he is basically hated by D3 community manager and other people in Blizz), as he criticizes lot of the work done last years in D3 (and in most cases, the calls he makes are good ones).

[PoWeL-2578]

bring back 200% multiplier or maybe change it to 100%

[Meteorblade-2266]

@Bassdude-1227

To illustrate, if the department of meteorology said 'There will be a mild tremor tomorrow along the San Andreas fault " and it turned out to be a category 10 with San Francisco falling into the ocean, somehow I do not think people would consider that as only being a small understatement.

Breaking News!
Ground Stomp nerfed due to high paragon Barbarian accidentally causing the loss of the US West coast.

[JackTheDark-2501]

I am just a noob casual player who likes simple brainless builds as playing d3 is for me all about chilling and relaxing as i have too much stress in the office so I hate complicated builds that require me to make intellectual efforts

so please do not RIP barb leave at least 50-100% on lamentation.

[Nick-113258]

900. Lets go. We can do it today!!!

[IMCL85-1232]

lol, I been off this game for almost 2 years. came back for d4, while looking at these nerf cries. looks like I dont missed much, same old bull****, well look the mortick bracer is back LMAO. come back in 2 years, item that was remove or bonus that was removed u want for ur build will magically come back. no pre order for d4 for me this time, if anything blizzard will probably doing the same **** to d4. I’ll wait and see.

[Spirited-1737]

I’ll bite, in support of keeping at least some of Lamentation’s multiplier, and bigger multipliers on Remorseless and Fjord Cutter

[Bastich-1850]

Don’t Berf The Narbs.

If they wanna nerf something nerf Blackthornes. That has been OP for waaaay to long. Heck with a full primal set GR22 is in my grasp.

Micro, please chart how Blackthornes needs a 3.7 GR nerf for da balance plzthnx.