WTF?.. all those are funny. How have I not seen any of these before?
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This is why having a expansion is the best course of action. That isn’t forcing people to play “your” way since players with different expansion levels can not play together unless they make a character for that expansion level (Classic, LoD, D2R+)
Everyone wins except the most extreme purinazi’s
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I lost
My sides
Funniest thing ever
Nope. Developers refers to the software programmers only. This is not a semantic argument. It was about developers in general being poor designers or not. Respectable try though.
The nuance you are missing is we were not talking about the “Game Developer” in reference to Blizzard or VV. Now I am explaining the nuance and semantics but you asked for it.
I cant know what Gulgir was refering to when he said;
But it sure sounded like he was referring to game designers, and not programmers. With words like “envisioned” and “what they are aiming for”.
I guess he could clarify.
Only thing I can say with certainty is; when I have called out developers inn D2R and other games, I am always referring to the entire company, including designers, artists and programmers.
This is starting to feel like the remaster vs. remake discussion.
It is extremely common to refer to a game company as the Developer of a game. In contrast to its publisher.
It is also extremely common to refer to developers, as the people making said game; as in, the designers, artists, programmers, etc.
Heck, look at wikipedia:
A video game developer is a software developer specializing in video game development – the process and related disciplines of creating video games. A game developer can range from one person who undertakes all tasks to a large business with employee responsibilities split between individual disciplines, such as programming, design, art, testing, etc.
I am not arguing that their definition is correct, at all, but it does represent how people use the word.
I think you chose to start a discussion you should not have and now you’re trying to hyper analyze the whole thing and figure out where you went wrong. I am definitely not interested in doing that. Have a nice day
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i saw them first time not too long ago and this one had me literally LoL’ing. funny stuff!
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If you reread the post you replied to in the first place about what a developer is you would see gulgir was clearly talking about the developers as in Vicarious Vision and blizzard not a coder within those development companies.
You started talking about something completely different than everyone else and when people tried to correct you, you dug in even harder to prove you were right.
is clearly about the game developer not a coder at said development company.
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That’s about as far as I read.
yet another person jumping in that has no idea what is going on. It only makes sense in the context of the confusing posts that Shadout added about Gulgir. This had nothing to do with Gulgir’s post. My response was to Blash’s post alone. The context of his reply to me and my subsequent reply to Blash was “developer” as in me. What I do professionally for the past 20 years and make 180k per year… for my coding skills… Not design skills (actually a software architect so not entirely true) . And how developers in general are garbage at designing.
You should notice that i never responded to anyone saying anything regarding what a dev is until Blash chimed in to point out that i was self loathing with my assertions. The definition of developer being cited is from a layman’s point of view and solely based on ignorance but I am fine letting the uniformed cite the uninformed. No big deal to me. But if you will, Its like saying everyone involved in releasing a movie can be generically referred to as actor.
But when I am accused of being a self loather? Really, try to keep up. The posts say who is responding to who. So try to better grasp the response chain.
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i grasp it far better than you apparently it goes
lampus >
gulgir (talking about a dev studios) >
you erroneously talking about a coder at the dev stuidos >
blash (making a joke that is in bad taste and doesn’t need to be said) but once again talking about original posters usage of devs >
you misunderstanding what devs are being talked about AGAIN >
shad explaining to you that you are talking about 2 different things >
you getting emotional and lashing out while still misunderstanding the OG post >
me explaining once again why you are so confused >
you lashing out again because omg how dare people. >
me showing you i know how to track a post chain while you clearly don’t.
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Your perception of how things transpired is clearly skewed.
I initially asserted that you all refer erroneously to the entire team including asset artists, developers, designers, etc as developers. I saw the responses. I was not going to stoop and debate a bunch of “experts” on the matter that can find and cite other “experts” on the matter.
Timeline:
I post the original gripe about the use of “developer”.
all the “experts” show me i am wrong. and even cite other “experts”. Of which i read maybe 5% of the “expert” opinions posted.
I go on my merry way… still half way checking in on this post to see where the discussion leads while filtering out the tripe from “experts” on what a developer really is.
About a full day passes.
Blash posted early today saying how i am self loathing. You’re so clearly versed in Blash and can tell he is joking. Re-reading it now, its still not apparent to me that that is the case. But good defense… i’ll have to heavily project as well to see it your way. But his response was referring to “developer” as a “coder” as evidenced by his referring to me as a developer and the revelation of my source.
I replied in defense of my assertion that “developers as coders” are garbage designers. I did not make the claim again that “developers” should only be referring to the “coders” and not the Blizzard team as a whole. That was not the battle i was choosing to fight against the “experts” so clearly versed on the matter here in the forum.
LoL - juvenile. I am going to bow to the prowess of the “experts” here and you’ll have no more response from me. Have a great night
Your comparison is so bad its disgusting
I thought we are over this false statement
There is another option. Solo Self Found 
then you don’t have to care what shenanigans goes on on the ladder or with d2jsp.
That’s what I’m going to do I think.
You have to remember that option will affect everyone. Even the ones that don’t use that option at all. Because its existence damages the authenticity of the original D2 experience. Also it is not needed to be added.
Just use the options available to get what you want. Instead of trying to get that option added where it isn’t needed.
VV/Blizz had better not make so many changes that it truly takes D2R down the rabbit hole of being a totally different game than D2. Where it is D2 in name only.
D2R is not a remake nor should it walk that path of a remake. D2R is a remaster that is not being made so players will be playing it for 20+ years. Where they play nothing else but D2R.
It is just here as a remaster of a beloved classic to give us something to do till Diablo Immortal and D4 come out. Also it can be used to take a break from either game as well.
Already has.
Guy you need to realise people like me will never play in public games with FFA loot.
I’m not going to donate a single free item to anyone on D2R ever. If they don’t put *ploot in I will play single player and just turn up at high level go off into games kill what I want and leave.
I’m going to make a point of never playing as part of a team with ffa loot kind of like a personal challenge.
Anyhow I’m going now lol don’t want to get into a discussion about this.
*edit wrong loot lol
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wrong again…ploot is ultimate leecher mode…just walk with group and pick up guaranteed items without doing anything…
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Just walk with one group and pick up all the drops you want in FFA mode with a script. That’s a bigger leechfest.
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sorry to wake u up but were not all bad players that would need cheat…instead like u. want ploot because of L2P issues and just want free items with even less effort…i don’t wanna compete with anyone i just want it free 
Nice fantasy. Back to reality tho, scripters win all the drops. That is the biggest leechfest there is. Cope more.
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