"Diablo Walks the earth", spawning dclone in D2:R

To add some more randomness to where to fight Diablo clone, what do you think of this:

Criteria before destoying first SOJ:

  • Hell game.
  • Hellfire quest done.
  • All act bosses dead.
  • When player goes to hellforge and destroys first SOJ, game randomise 1-9 hidden:

1 - cost 1 SOJ before clone spawn where Andariel room.
2 - cost 2 SOJ before clone spawn in Duriels room.
3 - cost 3 SOJ before clone spawn in Mephisots room.
4 - cost 4 SOJ before clone spawn in Diablos room.
5 - cost 5 SOJ before clone spawn in Baals room.
6 - cost 1 SOJ before clone spawn in Diablos room.
7 - cost 2 SOJ before clone spawn in Diablos room.
8 - cost 3 SOJ before clone spawn in Diablos room.
9 - cost 5 SOJ before clone spawn in Diablos room.

Character that destroys last SOJ before Diablo clone walks cannot destoys any SOJ in 6 days.

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i hate to shoot down everyone idea but…

this is very similar to my idea of having a farmable mats to make a faux soj to smash, but by having farmable real SOJ’s you create the same issue that the dcone event was added to remove, an huge excess of one of the strongest items in the game… i know using “sojs” i thematic and all but. but again the point of the orginal spam metahd was to get rid of hundreds of thousands of duped sojs from non ladder. an method that allows u to get REAL sojs at a farmable rate would be terrible for game balance, thats why blizzard chose to make the event this way to try to remove them all, you cant use REAL sojs

this poses another issue, again it removes item from the game, maybe not SOJ’s but giving away free items to newer players and getting free lower lvl gear from hgh lvl players was a HUGE part of the community aspect of the game. having you sell these to a merchant instead of be a terrible idea becuase it would remove that aspect of people helpiung out each other, because u can get more benefit by selling them to a merchant… not to mention this would make any unique sold to a merchant unable to be bought back. and i have seen son person pick up a unique i wanted and just sell it to a merchant. a bit of a dick move but at least in most cases the merchant wasnt full and i could buy it back if i had the gold. having that item destroyed becuase some jerk wants 35k? yeah no…

aka the idea of “selling stuff to merchants” has to be dropped if its a real item that has literally any other purpose than to sell to make anni drop

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Yes! Exactly this. Dupes are not a problem anymore. The system HAS TO be changed. And there is no value in sticking to the old system by any means. You can come up with way better systems! I think, this one is already way better: DClone <3 Spawn NEEDS change - #14 by Mousehouse-11421

But surely, this group of D2R devs can come up with a better system than me.

Oh so your a botter. Scum of the earth.

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Nothing wrong with botting for yourself. For me it was essentially a single player game. Botted my own items, my own HRs. The game has been around for 20 years.

This was not spam text bots, or me selling items in websites. Those are the problem makers. Not individuals who enjoy toying with the bot pickup scripts. Was non ladder anyways.

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The original also has invisible poison clouds, which was never intended. Without dupes, selling SOJs had never been intended. So, it is just fair, to get rid of these system, that does only exist, because of a problem, which is not there anymore.

I like the old D2 a lot and still play it. But there is no value in keeping things ONLY for the sake of keeping them the same. 99% of the game should stay the same, because it still works and made the game great. But the Dclone does not work anymore, by selling SOJs.

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Having people working hard and offering their time legitimately finding item or rushing others without botting or cheating is not an issue, it was the whole point of the D2 economy. And that not something that we want to see go.

The real problem, is that it took 3 Diablo’s Game before they get their items system mostly right and fight duping in a more efficient way and/or fight botting. Once that was dealt with, then the rest can be left alone and is not a cause of whining anymore, so really pro-gamer that work hard should be left alone.

Also, there is no point in making Diablo Walk with SOJs like someone said.

Finally, I think I have exposed a way to spawn Diablo Clone that would stop promoting the use of duped item, but also encourage the PvP side of the game, which is one of the few game that got that right and also encourage the building of communities and clans.

Cheers.

I don’t like the PVP aspect at all. For me personally, i play HC PVE. I have no interest in PVP, where people use exploits like farcast etc. PK in HC was usually done with scripts via TPPK, hence why I hate it with all my soul.

As suggesting to spawn him with ears, how would single player community do that? How would PVE players do that. Just because you like PVP, does not mean that everyone likes PVP.

I think it would be fun that if you clear all superuniques in a hell game you have a 25% of spawning Dclone. Yes a lot of work/ killing, but that gives an incentive to play in groups and play all acts/ parts of the game, at least if you want to hunt for Dclone.

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Spawning Dclone should remain as it is right now !

  • We will have 1 global server in D2R , which means alot alot alot players , which means more Sojs found and sold , plus in global server there will be only 1 IP , same as how ASIA realm is right now on the current regular D2 server , there is only 1 Ip .50

MASSIVE bump.

except the problem with that is dupes, soj was choosen because it was duped to the hundreds of thousands and blizzard couldn’t remove them with a full ruststorm.

asia is, im willing to bet, the area most heavily duped, because well… china

the idea that people are going to sell REAL sojs’ is ludicroius especially if everyone is on the same server.

it would also make people just leave thier client running in a private game in case somesone walked while they were sleeping or afk and then they would come back, because it would be every HELL GAME

this would massively ENCOURAGE duping.

So… no

the “selling duped items” idea needs to be completely scrapped, and selling legit items is even worse.

Suggestions will depend on if they really can stop duping or not.

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Need 10 standard of heroes to spawn diablo clone.

I would actually like this, as I run Baal and Diablo quite a bit solo. This would be good for me.

You can’t farm for anything specific. You can kill bosses of certain ilevel that have loot tables that limit the options though.

I think Nightmare Andy is good for SoJ farming for example. Not high enough ilevel to drop certain rings, but high enough to drop SoJ.

I’m only advocating to keep SOJ selling because its true to the original. I’d be happy to they changed it more so to sell organs or keys, or something else.

I agree SoJs are not common, but ive found plenty in my day. And if 1 SoJ = 1 DClone in my game only, that would be very easy to get Anni (good thing or bad thing is your opinion).

I’m simply writing an option to make DClone work that isnt selling 100+ SoJs lol. Some middle ground between excessive and too much change.

I say make torch+Soj create a Portal to Diablo Clone. This will reduce the amount of soj and Torches on the market as well making them still valuable.

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It takes approx 1,600 runs of Nightmare Andy to spawn an SOJ. This equates to roughly 46 hours of runs at 35 runs an hour which was my average.

So 8 x 46hours is 368hours. Considering how rare an Anni is supposed to be I was actually think 10-20.

The only other options I see viable is transmuting a certain number Standard of Heroes, 3 Open Socket Wirt’s Leg, Tome of TP and multiple SOJs. Once they have been used in the cube to spawn Dclone they get “Low Quality or Crafted” added to them so can’t be used again to spawn him.

Other option would be something like Uber’s. In Act 4 there is a random spot for a quest to spawn that was never included it has a random platform like what is under Hell Forge. You could make it so that you have to find a game where that has triggered. Go in there and kill stuff to get items for it.

Another option would be to use the Smith Hammer at the Hell forge and an SOJ + Standards of Heros + Random book that spawns at a Bookshelf in Act 1 only ever so often + etc. It then spawns that separate portal for the quest like I mentioned. You then go in there and do the quest in there and it causes Dclone to be spawned in that game.

There are also plenty of items still left unused in D2 like Diablo’s Horn and Elixers, etc. They are present in the game code and could be used to make a seperate quest. Though I do agree it needs to involve an SOJ of some sort at the very least if not 8-20 SOJs.

no…
no “standard of hero” the TORCH fight is god awful because of mephy’s stupid aura and him and his minion having no leech value… forcing life tap and limiting build variety , no mats used to spawn dclone should come from a harder boss than dclone himself, this excludes anything from uber trist, which is WAY harder than dclone.

and yeah i understand you can “trade” for it… but still lame

Diablo clone should still be a very rare event. Annihilus should not be something everyone has in their inventory. It is important that we keep items rare, and some extremely rare, so we can have goals and replayability. I agree that the dclone event probably needs a rehaul, but it should not be more common.

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Ever character class in the game can beat Ubers. There are plenty of videos online attesting to this. Lillith to me has always been harder then the Ubers themselves. Much like ancients is normally harder then Baal.

If there is no Standard of Heroes for Dclone. They need to use it to spawn whatever easter egg level VV adds (Please do not get rid of Cows) or come up for a use for it. As far as Dclone with no Standard of Heroes they better make it a marathon and a half to spawn him because he is very rare especially now on ladder.

Anni needs to be an extremely hard item to get. It is extremely powerful. I know the torch may seem better but, the anni is one of only 2 items to give an XP bump. It also even after the Torch was a thing has always been more rare.

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Its a good question.

If they control the hacker’s anni will be too hard to get the way the game is currently set up. Especially if they shorten the seasons…

I like this guys idea

or they could create a cube recipe using standard of heroes to create a new item to use instead of soj.

Maybe we will all have to get used to not having anni :slight_smile: who knows…