There is no proof that the barb in ptr is OP. There’s also no proof that the barb as is is underpowered. That is because these are subjective opinions since the leaderboards have you compete against your own class, not others. There’s certainly evidence, however, that the barb in it’s current state is weaker than the other classes just as there is evidence that the ptr barb will be an outlier in the other direction. The evidence of this has been posted many times across all the threads and I’m not going to regurgitate one of micros tables or the ptr clears that barbs made after only 1 week.
I think that lamentation should go from 200% to 100%. That is the only change that I think is needed. You disagree, and that is fine. If the ptr barb goes through as is then I am happy for you, but it would be a shame if it then gets nerfed later on.
Strange Micro. Cause you are everywhere else. Replying to everything.
But when you get called out, you refuse cause you can’t come up with some graph of numbers or anything else to defend yourself with.
Did you know there were made threads about you on the Barbarian forum, telling us to not reply to you cause of all the bip you have done?
You are known to discuss subjects with dedicated and more knowledgable people about the Barbarian class than you. You were proven wrong multiple times. You still went on.
Strange why you advocate for nerfing Barbarians when you can clearly see that your beloved class Dh is doing just fine. Or Wizard for that matter.
Where were you when these classes together with Necro was just fine?
If the people dedicated to Barbarian are saying to others we should not feed you with comments, there is something wrong.
You just goes on and on, but strangely enough you dare not to go speak to someone calling you out.
I will say this as a last thing. For people reading.
I still urge people not to even comment or reply to you.
This forum should be about debating things. About suggestions and helping others out.
You were never around when Wizard and Necros was Op ( more than Barbarians was on the current ptr ).
Suddenly you spam posted everywhere cause there is a new forum and you could level up on here.
You then proceeded to contradict yourself. Saying Barbarians should get a buff, but then again you said they should get nerfed/not recieve anything.
I did not know people on this forum or on the old one. But I have seen people doing a lot of work. You began to discuss with these people. People knowing more than you do. You refuse to listen when you were proven wrong.
I don’t know what your deal is and frankly, could not care. You spam posts with ludacris numbers and don’t get the entire picture of it all.
Again, for people reading, Micro is spamming, going nuts about nerfing Barbarians, saying he then don’t want them to get nerfed.
And if you follow my link, or heck even read here, he refuses to reply to a thread when being called out.
A simple troll.
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And for a final note. I am tired of people like Micro. Ruining a forum.
Wizard and Necros have been better than other classes.
No Micro there pulling up numbers.
Only when Barbarians finally gets something, even before. He has something against the class or the people on the forum section of Barbarians. They don’t even want to write with him = says it all.
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Surely the Diablo 3 Devs will allow the whirlwind Barb, in particular, to be somewhat OP in Season 19. Why nerf anything? The Barbarian is a beautiful class to play and it’s been under-performing for some years now.
If anything the spin to win Barb should be one of the strongest builds in the game. Not just high tier or middle of the pack. It’s great to see a neglected character receiving a lot of love! 
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I really only wanted to know how the Barb community felt, hence the question:
But Miss Flanagan, aka MicroRNA (and others like him/her), decided to use this thread to continue their smear campaign to ruin things for Barb’s.
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I think it will depend on the state of Season Buff when the patch hits live. If season buff gets nerfed a bit, then I don’t necessarily think Barb need a nerf, but if it’s going to remian as it is, then it should, as it is the class that is best equiped (grouping elites for kill stacks) to deal with season buff.
This.
Barbs speed Grifts competing with Rats or doing 3 GR’s higher than any class will be absolutely nothing compared to the imbalance of seasonal themes which literally effects everything you do in the game.
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WW Barb has always been my favorite class/build, but i pretty much dropped it once i found out how easy it was to do better with HotA IK / Impale DH / WoL monk, etc.
i dont like that they minimized the value of Whirlwind itself to be of minor consequence. i dont like that they went from a crit heavy class to a crits dont really matter class.
I’ll play S19. I’ll play WW barb S19. i just dont know if it will be my main character or not yet. WoL monk has done well by me for several seasons now (i only care about finishing the season journey, not chasing leaderboards)
if no barb nerf season 19: season of the barbarians solo 150 4 man barbs
If they nerf it more than 2-3 GR levels, I am okay, if they simply kill it, why play?
Just another season then of Wiz and Necro ruling all…What is the point!
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I’m a barb player and if the ptr barb receives minor nerfs but the overall changes remain the same I’ll play it season 19 because I’m not a petulant child who takes his toys and stomps home if I don’t get my way. I’ll play if it isn’t nerfed as well.
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Read, again, the reasons for nerfing A and B:
A. Chantodo’s Resolve
- The scaled attack speed damage bonus to Wave of Destruction has been reduced
- Developer Note: This is a reactive adjustment from an earlier change to how Wave of Destruction receives a bonus from Attack Speed. The buff that resulted from that change was more than we expected , so we’re reigning it in.
B. Bone Ringer
- Now has a cap of 60 stacks.
- Developer Note: We never intended for this item to be used in a way where you farm stacks for an egregious amount of time (5+ minutes) and then watch all their health disappear in less than a second . It’s not an engaging style of gameplay, and we don’t want that experience to be the best way to play the Necromancer .
Do any of the “ reasons ” pointed out, in this or the threads about nerfing WWRend, have any resemblance to those from the patch notes?
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I think you make a really good point, actually. Those were nerfs due to unintended mechanics occurring. I think the ww rend is working perfectly as intended and is working great and feels very visceral and rewarding, love it. That said, those builds both went live. The PTR left me with the strong impression that the devs didn’t do much/any in game testing beyond just seeing if the changes were going to crash the game/work in general. I say this because the sets, which were supposed to be the big rollout for next season, were really sub par. So I’m not sure that the devs intended the ww rend build to be this strong and intended to see how strong it was on ptr. But, nonetheless, you make a valid point that I had not considered before.
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Read again please, nerfing A and B has not much to do with strength, but with unintended results.
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That implies otherwise though. They literally said that the mechanic interaction was stronger than they intended it to be.
They say that the buff was too much and they wanted to reign it in.
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That´s it: mechanic interaction, not strength.
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But they aren’t getting rid of the mechanic, they’re changing the damage multiplier from AS. So they’re keeping the mechanic that buffs chantodos but reducing the ratio to which it works. They could easily say “the rend interaction with ww was stronger than intended and we want to reign it in a bit, now ambos pride only applies 70% of rend damage”. I feel like we’re getting into semantics here.
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Exactly, we just have to wait…
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Agreed. At this point, i think I just want the ptr barb to just come out as is, even if I disagree with its strength just to make the barb mains happy. At the end of the day a vrytodos didn’t ruin the game for me and I’m sure the barb won’t either.
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I really hope they nerf barbs just because of all the “don’t nerf barb” threads.
You’d think you’d have a little more tact trying to keep a build unnerfed but you are barbarian brains after all.
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