Ludens there are other ways to get defense. With how big the boost to rend is
we can likely lose COE and wear/cube Unity. This will be my first test on Thursday. We are still not sure how rend will function exactly. If we can have rend on our bar an get whatever rune we select will be helpful. Or even have band of might but then you need to proc it.
I disagree. The actual damage of WW isn’t very high. The only way it really worked is with fishing for insane density and grouping.
I think the damage will “feel” higher because of the season theme which is giving a lot of power.
I could see a few classes besides wiz clearing GR140 this season.
We are also sacrificing a good bit to use lamentation and ambo’s. For how low barb damage is, I don’t think we’ll need any toning down.
S19, Monk? Crusader? After reading some more…
Please make it barbarian season! LETS GO GO GOOO!
fine, because i’ve only 1 barb and there’s room for a second one. 
Have you even seen what Free, Rage and co have done?
If you have done anything even close to that level, I invite you to show us.
Let us see your “feedback”.
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I am glad that barbs were buffed as they were underperforming as a class, I think the key thing was the overwhelming “feedback” that Blizzard received. As I stated previously, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. As a corollary, this does not mean that the squeaky wheel made a compelling argument based on a strong foundation. An alternative hypothesis is that it could be that squeakiness can be terribly annoying.
As you know, Prokhan’s analysis of relative class power and the leaderboards have highlighted some flaws in the initial arguments/data/conclusions that were presented in the barb buff proposal and on the forum (see Measured response). Ironically, I find it interesting Ambo pride whose autocast of rend in WW is in direct opposition to the multiple posts.
These words sound somewhat authoritarian.
My point is clear. I am glad that barbs were buffed (broken record) as they were underperforming. I am truly pleased. Some truly deserve admiration for their efforts.
I strongly disagree about how some “accomplished” their change. Many before I posted in this thread made it clear what their independent issues were. I agree with that assessment. In addition, I found many of the post in this “movement” to be of questionable data, “facts”, ethics, and respect. This is to be expected on an internet forum, Moreover, there was failed theory crafting as shown by the leaderboard and a an attempt at “revisionism” but the internet never forgets. Words like “context” and “dog whistling” were thrown around to obfuscate the truth when encountering genuine criticism.
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I’m really glad that a particular troll is being ignored by the Barb community. I haven’t see anyone respond to said person.
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No way!! Trolls on the forum? Where they at?
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Right on, mah dude.
There’s a few floating around in here, including a few alts that like to pat each other on the back, but it doesn’t matter, does it? Here’s what matters to me:
Barbs needed buffs.
The Barb community helped make it happen without ever asking for nerfs of any kind for other classes.
And other communities can, if they put in the time and effort, make it happen for what they want.
I mean, if the kind of quality control Rage and I used in the successful community proposal sounds “authoritarian” to some, I can only imagine how such folk feel about any community discussion in which good ideas have to be sorted from bad. Ah well. Can’t please everyone, especially trolls and their alts.
Meanwhile, Barbs are like…
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This is why i love Barb community 
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I see that most of you guys are happy with the changes even before testing them on PTR. That’s a good sing. Good luck.
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I understand, but i think the community already aware of that, no matter the PTR results are, barb still get a buff.
Losing COE is huge though. Plus, unity is trash in team settings. I wish there was a buff for toughness issues as well rather than just flat out buffing dps
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Is lag a concern with WW + Rend?
They said it shouldn’t be too major concern since all Rend damage is dealt over one second which will reduce the amount of calculations.
But right now is already lagy without any DOT??
Just on the side, but is there another way to efficiently proc/benefit from Fjord Cutter for a Barbarian besides the Permafrost rune from Seismic Slam?
Yeah, I know there is Bane of the Trapped, but that is only in a 15 yards radius around you and SS has a range of 50 yards.
I am asking because Permafrost is my lest favorite rune on SS (in regards to visuals and the sound effect) and I therefore would like to use another one…
WW is laggy now due to how it has to be played to be effective. You need to pool up tons of enemies together, build up attack speed by using the Pain Enhancer gem and that combined with huge amount of area damage cause lag. The current method just creates too much calculations for the servers.
With this reworked way you no longer have to pool up enemies to be effective, just plow through everything and let Rend finish them off. Much less calculations, in theory. On the PTR we’ll see the reality.
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can you, or anybody please explane me what does this means ?
Ambo’s Pride
- New Legendary Power: Attacking with Whirlwind also applies Rend and the total damage of Rend is dealt over 1 second
It means Rend damage will be a big chunk of Whirlwind LoD/LoN/Wastes set damage. Also might stack Stricken really fast.
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