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[Cratic-1413]

I agree. Linking some math to help support / show the issue:

@Cratic-1413

EDIT: adding math below to explain values. Results are in GRs = log(base 1.17, value x). Rounding up to nearest hundredth GR.

Multiplier	Multi Early PTR	Result1 (GRs)	Multi Mid	Result2 (GRs)	Multi Now	Result3 (GRs)
SS	7	12.394	5.5	10.858	4	8.8296
Magistrate	7	12.394	5.5	10.858	4	8.8296
Ele%	1.14	0.850	1.14	0.850	1.14	0.850
EE	1.15	0.890	1.15	0.890	1.15	0.890
LoD	98.5	29.235	98.5	29.235	98.5	29.235
	Total LoD:	55.764	Total LoD:	53.800	Total LoD:	48.635
			Change LoD:	-1.9636	Change LoD:	-7.128

Multiplier	Multi Early PTR	Result1 (GRs)	Multi Mid	Result2 (GRs)	Multi Now	Result3 (GRs)
SS	7	12.39403622	5.5	10.85800884	4	8.829689556
Magistrate	7	12.39403622	5.5	10.85800884	4	8.829689556
TV 6pc	101	29.3949702	121	30.54570723	131	31.05147081
TV 2pc	1.667	3.253716089	1.667	3.253716089	1.667	3.253716089
3rd gem	1.54	2.75	1.54	2.75	1.54	2.75
	Total TV:	60.186	Total TV:	58.265	Total TV:	54.715
			Change TV:	-1.921	Change TV :	-5.472
		-		-		-
	Diff LoD-TV:	-4.423	Diff LoD-TV:	-5.574	Diff LoD-TV:	-6.079
			Change Delta	1.150737037	Change Delta	1.656500614

EDITS:

• 3/7/2020: Forgot to include 3rd gem. This was actually a significant impact on the result of how close the TV is damage wise to LoD. Revised recommendation for 1400%-1500%.
• 3/7/2020: shortened values to hundredths and updated with 3rd gem, EE, and ele% difference. Gave LoD 20% elemental above… so 1.6/1.4.

@Cratic-1413

Compared to v2.6.8.66344 (5.5x multipliers) on PTR:

• For LoD: It’s a decrease of 4.05GRs.
• For Typhon’s: It’s a decrease of 3.55GRs.

@Cratic-1413

Mammoth is somewhere in the range of 2.3-2.8 times as much dps as the other runes.

• 5.31 GRs = ~2.3x multiplier
• 6.56 GRs = ~2.8x multiplier

The difference between TV and LoD (non-seasonal) would have to be placed somewhere in the range of 6.5-7 GRs, favoring Typhon’s. Currently this is only ~6.07 GRs at 1300% per head.

Regardless of the multiplier on SS, Magistrate, that would mean Typhon’s 6pc would have to be adjusted to:

• 1350% per head to match 5.31GRs difference (favors only the best of non-mammoth runes to be used with TV), not enough IMO.
• 1400% per head to match 6.56 GRs difference (favors multiple non-mammoth runes)
• 1500% per head to match 6.98 GRs difference (favors multiple non-mammoth runes)

Change from PTR start with 1400% per head TV:

	5.5x	4x
LoD	-3.07 GRs	-7.12 GRs
Typhon’s	-0.94 GRs	-5.00 GRs

No real comments as to whether this is good enough balance wise as yet for Typhon’s, since we haven’t had the chance to test TV in push without bugs.

EDIT (3/7/2020): After testing Typhon’s, realized I had forgotten about the 3rd gem in my calcs. Updated math from previous post and updating recommendation here to 1400% to 1500%.

Disclaimer: the above is a general estimate. Values above don’t account for variances in builds (such as using / not using Arcane Dynamo, attunement, spellsteal, etc.).

Despite these, I think the above paints a clear picture of how much the 6pc bonus would actually need to be competitive with LoD Mammoth.

We’re talking 1400% to 1500% per head, not 1300% per head.