I remember during 1 season of Diablo 3 I turned on twitch to see if everyone was abusing groupplay to hit ladder ranks. A known runner named Alkaizer was running SOLO with barbarian, basically one of the slowest leveling classes. A few days later… he was #1 on the entire server for ladder. Why? Because the item system, XP system, and gameplay in Diablo 3 is just plain superior.
At the end of the day in Diablo 3, you would be at a severe disadvantage to group XP spammers, but a highly skilled player would still be able to hit the leaderboards because the gameplay and drops and skillsets ALLOWED it. You could be very well be the best player on the entire server right now in D2. You could have 250 EAPM (real actions per minute). It wouldn’t matter in the slightest. But in Diablo 3 it actually would help you. Now that’s just sad.
First off, don’t think I’m ‘salty’ that I’m not level 90 yet. I’m not trying to rush or hang with the high level players this season. But I know people who are and it’s discouraging to see how fast they lost interest in ladder. I’m talking within a couple hours. This is coming from a Starcraft Grandmaster, Dota Immortal player, and Diablo 3 leaderboarder. This ladder is already a complete failure.
One thing is 100% sure. When playing in multiplayer, monsters need to have vastly increased defenses and damage. 2 Players in a game is like 5 times productivity or more in some cases. That doesn’t even make sense when you say it out loud.
Dead lobby list
Private group play ‘dominated’
Because of how good Teleport is, you almost have no choice but to have someone run with you with it
You won’t ever see something like this in D2. No matter what you say , the games drop rate, XP formula, and group play fixation has discredited the ladder to any sort of skilled player.
This ladder is already a complete failure, but there’s a tiny chance maybe next season could be better if they created ANY type of benefit to playing solo.
The point of a ladder is to start fresh, you’ll never be satisfied with anything if you’re trying to compete with streamers who are probably wearing diapers so they can continue playing while they **** themselves.
That said, there’s one thing D3 has done right: ladder themes. Every season has a new mechanic thrown in, and I hope D2 will consider going down that road at some point.
Totally disagree that D3 has a better ladder. Not to mention how well they knocked the class changes out of the park this ladder, D2 was still better. I do agree that you should have the option to increase the game diff online like singleplayer because I dont like having to deal with a bunch of people or holding them in a single game while I magic find. If you are that sore about teleport though, get an item with it or an enigma.
No one has cared about the leaderboard in Ladder on D2 in over a decade. The ladder reset is about the fresh economy and starting again from nothing. No one really cares about ranking and if you do well that ship sailed a long time ago.
How dose PvP come to balance, and how the Ladder experience is better, in regards solo VS group, than this right now? Old D2 Ladder i’d say was better, but compareing D2R and D3… It’s hard to say but D3 takes the prize.
Then stay in Diablo 3, how hard is this? Me, I enjoy D2 Ladder more then I do 3. I can’t trade gear in 3, so in the end, once I get tired of the build im using, i’ve nothing else to do with it but leave and wait for next season. Maybe if 3 had a real endgame it’d be superior, but it doesn’t.
diablo 3 is a total failure to diablo 2 players. blizz focus on d3 dev rather than d2 is also total failure. no matter how good d3 ladder is, d2 players wont move to d3. We will just quit when we are frustrated by d2. get it?
D3 also was way more successful than D2/D2R ever were (and will be if they keep pandering to “purist”):
Solution to fixing Ladder is also mentioned above, which is basically this:
But do expect vocal minority (purists) to just come with insults without even reading your topic. After all, there are still zero logical counter arguments against our proposed changes other than “change bad because change”.
This ladder may have very well killed the entire playerbase long term. Because monsters HP and defense pools are scaled way higher than ‘normal’ non season, it doesn’t make the game more exciting or challenging for 99.99% of players.
It just makes you sit sustaining vs monsters for 5x longer than normal for 0x extra loot. So they essentially took an ARPG (a game designed to be a fun slot machine), and removed any rewards.
The fact not one staff member plays the actual game and understands this, shows this game is just a 100% cash grab.