Yes, and therefore no point on coming to this discussion and spamming. Don’t care about PvP ? Fine , don’t comment on things you don’t understand.
The game is not PvP only, of course - majority of player base is PvM. But we’re talking about a change that was designed and implemented for PvP specifically.
So you are identifying as they/them? I keep seeing “we,” but I don’t remember asking you to speak for me. If you are going to address an issue don’t expressing as if you talk for the whole Diablo community. If you want to represent more than yourself, create a group, have people in the Diablo community join that group, and then as the head of that group, you will have a voice for more than just yourself. Do better.
So true. but the new dev teams don’t care. Period.
We = pvp communities. I am personnaly from the d2a community, just like a lot of people who posted here. Some people are from the d2r pvp league, another discord dedied to pvp. And some others are from coooley community probably. Hope it answers your question
Zax man you dont even pvp and yet find a way to troll these people daily. Everyone who plays PVP hates the “fhr fix”.
I can say everyone because we play in all the pub duel games and its the same people posting here. Same people in discords, same people playing pvp with llama, same people who stream and grow the audience. Everyone who plays PVP hates the FHR change.
If you dont pvp, maybe find a different hobby than trolling people on a video game message boards just asking for their game back.
funny how some people said no one care but this topic has more views and answers than basicaly any other topic created after 2.5 patch note?
Imagine a PVP game without stuns. Try that in MOBAS. Dumb people never played fighting games where you are always stuned when you get hit.
Feels also less immersive if you dont get a stun animation from a strong blow, like “oh i took a strong hit/blow that should hurt but i feel nothing hurr durr”.
Just seems again like Blizzard South ideology to turn this game like D3 and D4 regarding hit recovery and pvp.
We know already how bad D3 PVP is.
This topic popped up in my Google feed, and I’m glad I saw it! I feel like the FHR change was a good idea gone wrong. Gameplay needed a 1/4 teaspoon amount of adjustment and they dumped all the !@#$ in. What i dont understand is why these pve ppl seem OPPOSED to making the game better in this regard. The change as they made it gives no incentive to play aggressive… it’s more rewarding to run, spray and pray. Nice that they’ve been bumping the thread, though. ^.^
Not yet, i am waiting for these people who constantly cry to leave the game first 
Then I can get back to it
I didnt say I like how they did it. But they had to do something. And anyone who is asking to have back glitches and bugs is delusional. Thats what I have problem with. These people just dont use brain.
For the most part, the pvmers who come here to flame (not saying every pvmers is like that, thanks god) have zero idea whatsoever of what is going on. They just see pvp and they come and flame with out understanding anything…
At best, they spam some copycat argument that make zero sens in the situation.
“This game is pvm only” => bro, the change we are discuted is pvp focused, blizzard themselves said it.
“The game should never be balanced on pvp” => bro, the change is specifically about pvp, once again. It doesnt have any impact in pvm
“you are just mad because the build you paid with RMT is obselette now” => bro, this change by itself barely changed anything in the way we optimise, and its not one sk fhr less that is going to cause any drama…
“PvP shouldnt be allowed unless mutual” => I mean WTF, this is not at all what we discuss.
“You are just cries baby unable to adapt” => coming from idiots who never did a duel, have no idea how match up goes, how you use d2 mechanic in pvp, what is weak or strong against what and even how work the hit recovery mechanic from 2.4…
And its goes on and on
Cringefiesta
Buddy you gotta look in the mirror on this one. You dont play it, you dont understand it. It isnt for you and thats ok. But your opinions are just out in left field. You have to play it before having an opinion on it. Casters cannot die until they decide to stop teleporting now. Try playing any team game, it ends when someone decides to town. The game is fundamentally a completely different thing now and a spam fest without any skill. People just want their fundamentals back. Zero stun is a disaster. Patch mindblast / leap , that was the problem.
I really wish I had a dollar for every time I told people they are wasting there time making topics about changes the devs dont read.Its pointless.
What dont I understand? Be specific what I said is wrong and why. You do realize that game devs want game without bugs or glitches right? As these opens ways to abuse the game and can lead to some big issues like was duping in past. So you want game with as less glitches and bugs as possible, you should know that.
Dont tell me what is or isnt for me please. I used to pvp for years in past. Even was present on Pvp servers where I also designed special patches for them so yeah I think I understand a lot about pvp. You are mixing not understanding with not agreeing with you.
Thats funny. Thats exactly what I was suggesting multiple times when they fixed WSG, but so called pvp players trashtalked me for that and kept crying about having WSG back.
And yet you suggest something I kept suggesting months ago already.
I invite you to come play, I can get you some links to discords. I can just show you why FHR patch is bad and why people are asking for their game back. If you lose thats okay! But we can show you why this patch is fundamentally flawed at the core.
The downside of casters is that they can be put into FHR animation which is no longer the case. It isn’t fun when duels can go 1-3 hours now because there is no stun. That is gone and so is the fun of pvp.
Hell if you win I will give you 10 ber, no cost if you lose. I just want you to see how busted this FHR system is.
Maybe next season where i plan to play a lot. I dont have anything now pretty much.
And again, I didnt say FHR change was something I wanted or think is amazing. I wanted something esle, nerf to certain skill causing stun. Not FHR nerf/buff in general affecting all.
You are wrong we made lot of topics about barbarian being bugged since the beggining of D2R.
They fixed it two times already. There is still improvement needed but it’s way better than it was.
So yeah, it may be pointless, maybe not. Anyway if you don’t ask you’ll never know.
You’re clueless & toxic
What we’re asking has ZERO impact for your beloved PVM game
Many of us have no interest for PVM and strictly pvp. This change ruined OUR beloved game
Diablo 2 PvP sucks. Move on.
They don’t care. No one with the power to change things reads stuff like this and they got 1 or 2 people that try to put out fires in forums that never report things up the chain and the shat show keeps running.
These pvpers are only thinking about ‘their’ dueling mechanics. While they are neglecting other forms of duel.
They haven’t even considered about hardcore players on bm pub games abusing stuns to get their victims killed.
You say ‘many’ as most players are pvpers.
Let’s compare the # of twitch / youtube viewers on pvp video vs pvm video. The difference is 1:100. The game favors for the majority who likes to farm and casually duel for fun for average joes, and it is successfully working as it is intended.
Pvpers are just hardcore base fans of d2 who’s vocally active on forum but doesn’t mean they are the majority.
Again, for gm tourney, set your new rules without high fhr.
Set maximum fhr to 7 frames. Yes, I’ve tested, it works half way between 2.3 fhr and 2.4 fhr patch. You will still lock them into fhr giving you chance to smite, stun, leap, knockback, etc.
See? that was simple for the tourney rule.
But if you’re thinking about abusing stuns on pub duel games, then your justification is for the wrong reason.