It always boils down to getting more loot or preventing others from getting more than you can. Always. Sometimes it’s cleverly veiled but if you go in knowing it’s about that, it’s very easy to mentally filter the forums. As long as loot has value outside of the game, it will be like that.
Don’t be jelly of JSP users, join the force!
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Oh, I’m not. I don’t care who does what. Doesn’t bother me. Just stating an observation. I don’t mind teleport because I use it when I need it, but I play solo so when I don’t, I don’t. I like to kill my way into areas I’m playing, but it’s nice to have TP if there’s a million dolls or gloams or whatever. Most of act 3 sucks without TP.
So if you think he sucks, then take it from me…
I’m the #1 hardcore bowzon in the entire game on the ladder leaderboards and the only bowzon to hit 98++ from the ground up in HC for either the preseason or season 1 with no TZ’s. I test bowzon things endlessly including a SLEW of ubers bowzon builds in HC. The only class I play ritualistically is bowzon, and I’ve been playing since day 1 classic. I’m literally THEE reference point for the class in HC by both guide, and stream.
I’m telling you, he’s right.
I looked at the videos you mentioned. Why are you even referencing this person when he’s doing p1? p1 is a reference for virtually nothing. It doesn’t farm good. The mobs hit like tissue paper. It’s a baseline for nothing other than speed runs (and lately less and less of that), ESPECIALLY with his 25k fg worth of gear he’s got on that character, not to mention he’s built out for softcore where he doesn’t have to care if he dies so he has no vitality, and he still hits weak a.f.
The 4k+ damage coming off his bow 1 shots stuff in p1 the same speed a sorcs 36k lightning does, but as soon as you bump up the player count, that whole scenario changes dramatically. You’re comparing basically a totally different game than most people play. Turn it to p4-8, and the sorceress doesn’t even feel a difference…but the bowzon does. It will take THAT damage level roughly 6 times as long as a sorc to seal pop on p8, which means you can clearly see an absurd difference in DAMAGE, which is the entire discussion’s premise. I don’t think reactiontime was referencing p1 builds. Nobody measures character strength that way, nor is it ever impressive.
Not to mention, it’s STILL measurably slower than a sorc/paladin, even on p1 AND it’s a single elemental build that ends up getting trashed by immunes and relies on immunity breaking and a mercenary that’s so unbelievably geared he hits 3 times as hard as you do!
Oh and also, a sorc can beat this time on p1 with gear from nightmare only. You’re holding a single instance of a super poor comparison where a character is geared to the teeth up in the light which isn’t even done in an impressive time, to justify teleports position being okay. That’s kind of weird. Show me a p8 of Kim doing this, and then I’ll show you a p8 speed run of it on a sorc or pally, and you’ll see the super massive problem. The disparity is rarely prevalent in p1. As soon as you turn it up, the problems get real bright.
Lastly for the record, watch his teleport speed and compare it to any other classes. That’s the best we can do with a bowzon with teleport. And no, it’s not good. I was embarrassed for him. This video is a testament to the problem, not an argument in your favor against it.
Balance teleport please, so we can save ourselves from embarrassing videos like these.
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Blizz has already stated there won’t be any nerfs. So people who want teleport gone or nerfed please stop, instead help blizz think of buffs that will help other classes become more popular at the start of ladder seasons which are easily at least 50% sorcs.
You didn’t look at the videos I mentioned because you talk about p1 and not p8 vids.
example 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXgEm_pOJGE
example 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsH8mWHHadY
example 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZiyG2Ju0Yo
So Mr. Nr1 Bowazon player, tell me why you can’t even google/search on youtube for the correct videos?
The discussion is about Teleport and the subdiscussion you are entering here is that Reaction Time claims that some “CLASSES” can’t use Teleport and that he claims that he loses 80% damage on Strafe with Enigma instead of Fortitude.
So how can you say this:
When it’s clearly nonsense.
I lol’d hard. Thank you.
bro…my point is still correct. you argued nothing.
this was all anybody needed to see.
Because not many people spend 30k forum gold on a bowzon to hit his garbage damage numbers and slow clear speed.
Which point is still correct? that you only find p1 videos? Or that bowazon loses 80% damage on strafe with enigma over fortitude?
Elaborate?
He is clearing a lot of CS in 2:30 in p8. There are plenty of builds that would take a lot longer for that.
So you basically have no arguments and that’s why you try to dodge everything?
Come back when you actually want to discuss things and your crippled ego isn’t in the way.
I don’t think 80% damage loss was ever mentioned. I just searched for it in this thread. The number doesn’t even come up. Nor do the figures provided say 80%.
You don’t lose 80% of your damage from swapping to enigma, but you lose a good chunk of it, AND more importantly, a metric TRASH ton of survival because fortitude is far superior for survival over enigma, so you’d have to make up for that elsewhere which you CAN’T DO, unless you’re a softie in which case I just LOL at your entire entry harder.
Are you new? 2:30 is trash can tier. Sorcs clear in 90 seconds. It’s a full minute slower in something not even taking 3 minutes.
I think you’re confused. Your arguments just fell apart all on their own. 2:30 is garbage clear speed for p8. 1:30 is garbage clear speed for p1. And the fact that there’s a full minute difference, but sorcs and paladins geared like that don’t SEE a difference is EXACTLY the point being made. You’re just not grasping it. This is elementary and it’s going right over your head. I detest continuing to argue with someone exhibiting the IQ of sea moss.
I didn’t say he can’t clear it. I said his clear speed blows compared to other classes, and all the points that were mentioned as to WHY his clear speed blows are evidenced in the videos.
If you think that these videos are showcasing good kill speed well then I feel bad for your bowzon. That’s all I gotta say.
Ok let’s say 75,71% if you feel more comfortable. It doesn’t change the point.
Maybe just read quotes and the whole posts you are replying to.
2 skills for your dodges, 70 stat points extra for vita, 5% max life, 45 frw to dodge mobs/attacks, 8% DR, 14 laek, teleport to reposition your merc/yourself and +750 to +775 def to be hit less often.
vs
30allres
148 life @99
and def depending on your base and being hit to proc your Chilling Armor
Still far above any melee. Don’t have all the times in mind for druids, or necros, but I guess it’s close.
Not talking about seal popping.
You are hilarious buddy.
You are the only one trying to start a comparison with the S Tier builds and all you have is ad hominem and no arguments against my statements.
It’s neither my bowazon, nor did I say this is the best clear speed. I clearly said it’s okish clear speed for p8 and not a 20 minute baalrun like Reaction Time said.
You fail to read and understand the posts you are replying to.
Maybe you are the one with the IQ of sea moss?
It has nothing to do with loot and everything to do with the fact that teleport is so insanely broken that the entire game revolves around one single skill. That’s terrible game design, it could be called Diablo 2: Lords of Teleport and a new player wouldn’t notice anything off with that.
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I don’t know which is funnier, complaining about a skill that literally every class can use to some success, or the idea that they’ll ever change it.
Mods exist for a reason. Go try one.
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Summing up his entire post. He is very mad that he cannot afford enigma and is jealous of those who can. Wants the ability to be nerfed into the ground because he isn’t good enough to get to that point.
Enjoy the walk bud.
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The funniest part about your quote, is that you’re wrong. Ever class CANNOT use teleport. Shifter druids CANNOT use it. It’s 100% disabled. Red. Cannot be cast. Period. End of story. This shows you have NO clue what the f ur talking about. And that’s not even the only problem.
I don’t know what is funnier, your inability to read or your misconception about class and spec being interchangeable.
It’s okay to be wrong, but it’s funny to me when you insist otherwise.
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I said class, not spec. You should learn to read before you curse at people. It may help your validity. 
We do not need more buffs, everyone is already way too strong. You shouldn’t be able to clear p8 in the blink of an eye. What’s needed is the intestinal fortitude to bring EVERYONE back in line with the strength of the monsters and some classes such as Java, hpally, sorc a lot more than others. The best place to start is adjusting teleport to make it reasonable.
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I never said buffs were needed across the board. Paladins and Sorcs pretty much do not need anything, the remaining 5 classes still require additional buffs for some skill trees and individual skills. Nerfing teleport does NOTHING except make enigma and sorcs less powerful, how the hell does that help any of the gimped spells with the other classes?
Blizz started doing this last year for the preparation of the first ladder season. They made FoH and Hydra a bit better but it was for the 2 classes that pretty much dominate the game. To me the rest of the attempted buffs were underwhelming though I loved the grim ward buffs. The general consensus on this forum was postive with most asking blizz to continue the buffs to these underused skills.
I don’t believe all builds should be able to do p8 with ease…but I do believe that all builds even pretty obscure ones should be able to clear p1 at a reasonable pace. You’re insane if you think any of that would be solved by “adjusting” teleport. Again blizz has stated they aren’t nerfing anything. Go play non-exp d2 and avoid sorcs if you want to avoid it.
Because most other classes are still appropriately tuned (roughly) minus the whole teleport fiasco. Sorcs and Paladins are overpowered, along with javazons, but javazons are overpowered for a completely different reason.
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It ain’t most hence the many buffs blizz attempted last year. The 5 classes still need a bit more. But whatever, there is an unbelievable vast number of expectations with how hard this game should be. If you want a real challenge play non-exp HC…otherwise talking about how challenging expansion gameplay should be is kinda dumb. MA, fire traps, blade traps, melee jav, large parts of bow tree, fire ele, ss, dru summs, throw barbs, etc etc all could use another round of buffs just like from last year.