But what about the nonconsensual PvP, people just going hostile, killing you and camping your body? Griefing by joining games and not letting anybody do their run. Isn’t this completely unfair?
D3, Poe, Grim Dawn, Wolcen, Torclight1-2…
Mostly solo players and alot of but but but…
It’s not that they don’t want to share, but they want first pick at it. I’ve seen & shared tons of free and random stuff with friends & public, but I do like to see what it is first.
I rest my case.
The whole optional personal loot change proposed here is about making the multiplayer experience feel fair ( even if this means , getting less loot overall per person on average ) and more enjoyable / stressfree where you can join a Baal run and roll the dice without worrying about controllers , pickits etc the whole nine .
The PTR is comming as well , this can be tested if the developers would give us the oportunity ofc .
Next time quote the whole thing , better yet read the whole thing .
There is no problem with pvp. Its working as it should. There is no griefing in d2r. Im letting something here for you:
“However, those players who wish to duel one another, prey on the weak, or cause trouble in the ranks may do so by selecting the “Hostile” option from the Party Menu.”
You completely ignored and dodged the question. So you want to make the “multiplayer experience fair” but what about nonconsensual PvP and griefing by hostiling people in multiplayer games and killing them even though they want nothing to do with PvP. Ruining entire runs and nobody is getting any loot. How is this fair?
Do you personally engage in this behavior? Do you personally find it fun to grief others and camp their bodies?
Someone did suggest some ideas on the forum about this matter. The suggestions were a game instance toggle to enable/disable PvP on a per game basis or have a game settings option that makes it so one removes themselves from PvP but could make it main menu option only in the latter suggestion. These were ideas I heard which would fix those specific cases and could make it so one can only join games that align with these settings. However, People have opposed this saying it removes the atmosphere of the original game.
Yeah why would I bother with someone who actively tries to push a false narative to begin with ?
You had your chance to show good will , you missed it .
As for the multiplayer experience being fair when it comes to loot , the personal loot option will be a good way to achieve just that .
You’re free to actually create a new thread about PK , PvP and all that to be discussed .
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Actually I created this thread to discuss all of the other crap that your ilk will be pushing for once ploot is implemented. I keep hearing everybody cry about all these things that aren’t fair. D2 was a game that was created before the mass influx of carebears and snowflakes into the gaming industry. D2 is not a fair game and that’s one thing that makes it great and keeps it from blending in with the rest of modern day fair game design monotony.
Do you personally enjoy going hostile in D2R, player killing, and body camping?
Yes, yes, and no (there are no bodies to camp in hardcore). But that’s a topic for another thread and I approve this ploot message.
Most players play solo in ARPGs because they are primarily solo games…and because other people are a-holes.
Loot distribution system doesn’t change that fact…there are reasons loads of people never want to group with pugs in any game.
The funny thing is the term carebear isn’t even insulting. There was a cartoon called carebears and they fought against evil individuals who wanted to spread harm towards others. Are you saying these people you label as carebears are fighting to stop bad behavior by individuals even if Blizzard turns a blind eye?
I already explained that there is a difference between Player Killing and Griefing. The act of Player Killing is fine but the act of Griefing is not. If you follow someone into multiple games to repeatedly kill them you are now griefing and harassing them. I’m not sure why Blizzard isn’t doing a good job policing this behavior other than the fact that they don’t understand what these terms mean themselves with all the issues going on in the company.
Imagine being a grown adult calling people snowflake Care Bears over digital pixels and entertainment choices.
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Yeah D2 was never a fair game but this is the brand new itteration of Diablo 2 , I think we can agree that the game we know is not the game that we are actually playing right now .
It’s close but it’s not the same and will change even more soon according to the 2.3 post update .
I actually agree that changes can be a slippery slope but here is the thing about this - we can have a middle ground without ruining anything . Discussions , feedback and suggestions are just for that . PTR is exactly for this as well - let us test some sht , it might be bad who knows , it might turn out that Ploot is the devil .
Guess what if it’s on the PTR and turns out to be horrible , it will never make it to the live game .
Maybe it’s about time to give this unfair game some nuance or maybe not , PTR can be used for this purpose without changing anything irreversibly .
And let’s be honest the auto gold pickup feature , was a good thing at the end of the day .
Just one of the changes , it’s just one example .
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Seems like some people are just afraid Ploot might interfere with their RMT business.
Just wait until latter completion is completely dominated by bots just like the good old days.
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No, I was trying to trick him into divulging additional information of changes he may want.
I only grief PK’ers that prey on unsuspecting victims. I play hardcore only so the stakes are much higher and I try to help people to not lose their characters. There is no body camping unless they have a corpse looter in the game.
Yeah there is none , at least for now lol just kidding there is none .
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