Please stop punishing and discriminating non-ladder players

[Muyu-1611]

and thus, the titan falls hard. Don’t start a debate if you have no intention of fulfilling its duties.

I shall now disappear to watch me some Yootoobs.

↑ + ↑ + ↓ + ↓ + ← + → + ← + → B + A

[Phoenicks-1634]

@Goku-2734

In other words, you yourself have no clue what you would miss out, if ladder and non-ladder would provide the same item content?

So this is what people call an entitled player, not wanting to do the same work others will, but wanting the same reward. This is not how that works, at all.

@Hanz-1979

i tend to agree

some may say that they dont want/asked for any “reward”

but the moment you start talking about giving the same content at the same time to both game modes they are the first to oppose

Because it’s not something for both game modes until the end of the season. Part of the interest isn’t just fresh starts or races to 99, it’s other perks as well. Play the game on ladder or don’t, but stop trying to get them combined into some freakshow of a game. It’s not.

@Hanz-1979

why both game modes cant have the same content?

Because they are different. They are not the same game modes, not even close. They have similar content but if I start fresh and you do not, that is not the same content anymore. All ladder characters get reverted to non ladder at the end of every season, that’s all.

It’s the same argument for people thinking hardcore and non hardcore are the same, they aren’t the same, either.

@Hanz-1979

sure you have no problem with that
but i dont think its up to you to decide whether or not any player feels punished for not playing x mode in order to “access” new content

You’re not punished because you’re not participating. Participate, get rewarded. Stop trying to be the kid on the bus picking his nose and thinking it’s cool. It’s not. Either get with the program or don’t. The programs aren’t the same, stop thinking they are.

I have answered your question now. They are not the same, thus they are different. Since they are different, they do not have the same content. If you can’t accept this then you can’t accept it, but it’s not going to change. If that bothers you, oh well, life sucks sometimes unfortunately. Not everything goes our way.

[Hanz-1979]

@Phoenicks-1634

Because it’s not something for both game modes until the end of the season.

but thats exactly what we are questioning, why isnt?

@Phoenicks-1634

Part of the interest isn’t just fresh starts or races to 99, it’s other perks as well.

im sorry but these players totally misunderstood the objective of ladder and as i said (maybe in another thread), those bonus should not be the deciding factor whether or not to participate in the ladder

@Phoenicks-1634

Play the game on ladder or don’t, but stop trying to get them combined into some freakshow of a game. It’s not.

i dont even know what you meant here

@Phoenicks-1634

Because they are different. They are not the same game modes, not even close. They have similar content but if I start fresh and you do not, that is not the same content anymore.

the only meaningful difference are the ladder boards, that are something of a niche, and temporally exclusive bonuses/content
anything else is almost the same as NL, you can emulate a “frash start” if you want in non ladder

@Phoenicks-1634

It’s the same argument for people thinking hardcore and non hardcore are the same, they aren’t the same, either.

they are if you delete your char once you died

@Phoenicks-1634

You’re not punished because you’re not participating. Participate, get rewarded.

you are confusing mere bonus/content with the reward, the reward is the ladder boards and an economy without the influence from NL

thats what we can extract from the patch that introduced ladder

@Phoenicks-1634

I have answered your question now.

sry but no, you have not

i asked why both modes cant have the same content

you said they are different and yet failed to present those differences
saying they are different bc of something you can do in NL does not represent any difference at all

[omAsin-1784]

where the poll? i havent pick yet

[Anu-11792]

Said it multiple times

The difference between ladder and non ladder shouldn’t be access to stuff

It shouldn’t be access to content nor items nor feature

The difference between ladder and non ladder should be resetting the leaderboard

But for this to be interesting you need to make the leaderboard more interesting by adding multiple metrics and activities

@Anu-11792

stuff like:

• Holy grail

a challenge to the first with all items. To ensure the validity of the entries, it only accounts items that were first picked up by you. So no selling of unid items to trick the holy grail.Comes with the introduction of the Holy grail tab

• the demonic list

• every time you kill a super Unique, the whole game gains +1mlvl(unactivated mobs, capped at 85-87), when all areas reach mlvl85, the buff to mobs is dmg/life/xp/noloot/resistances

Ideally super uniques would gain more buff than regular mobs, making each next one harder and harder. There could even be some shenanigan with them being allowed to higher mlvl lvl and TC so down the line they can drop everything to compensate the fact that no-loot bonus doesn’t affect them

This would incite people to hunt them

Finally we would have a reason to kill blood raven

We would have a reason to revisit the den of evil for Corpsefire, the barrack for the smith, maggot for coldworm, etc

All especially all those more unknown

People would learn about all the Super uniques and potentially their story

There are like 60 of them

Killing them all could even trigger a special event. Potentially using legendary super Unique removes from the game or some never seen like Reziarfg http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act5-reziarfg.shtml

People would create games and hunt parties to kill them all, have better farming areas and ultimately trigger the Event

• Restless Darkness

When you full clear an area, sunbeams appear like in the den of evil and you character says something

At that moment, a time starts

10 minutes(example time) later a message springs

“Darkness has engulfed The far Oasis, evil walks again on this land”

the area is repopulated with monsters, stronger ones

This buff to monsters is similar to what playercount provides

• dmg
• life
• xp
• no loot

But also

• mlvl*
• all resists(including magic and up to 99 )
• maybe even a bit more density

• King of the Hell

Game with hell baal quest completed have this mechanic. This mechanic determines the total number of monsters in the game and the least of them are left, the stronger they become.

For more details:

The PERFECT endgame solution!

You have a tracker displaying the % of the game that is cleared. This is where the leaderboard gets it’s data. Highest % reached, highest % boss kills, fastest time to reach 100%

• The 9 circles of hell

where hell becomes harder each time you complete it. On the last Hell act bosses are harder than regular ubers. First to complete the game on this ultra hard difficulty

• PVP

every account starts with 100pts, each time you kill somebody you gain 10% of his points if hostility is mutual and 1% if not

• Bounty Hunting (A)

Every hour the game asks players on the server to kill X type of monster, they are then considered p10&mlvl85(placeholder difficulty), giving more Xp, more items but also way harder to kill and more dangerous. these monsters also giving Points toward the bounty leaderboard

Ie: Go to Natalya and she say “I got report from the order that there is an invasion of Urdar, go kill them and they’ll reward you”

• Bounty hunting (B)

every new game, Natalya has a contract for you

monsters are gathering in a specific area, gathering troops to launch an assault on a city
she mandates you to go cleanse this area
monsters are empowered and guided by a leader boss
this empowerment consists in dmg/mlvl/life/noloot/resist/density

• Anya’s personalized art transmuation

demo: https://m.imgur.com/eziwaIc

Step 1: kill nilatak

Step 2: got see Anya which will grant you a free personalization

Step3: put the item you want changed on the left

Step 4: put the item you want the left items to look like on the right

Step5: if out of free personalization put a standard of heroes in the bottom slot

Step 6: click personalize and claim your item

Disclaimer: Have to mention beforehand

• completing the quest grant you 1 for free, so 3 free shots like Akara’s respec
• This is only a visual transmutation, not stats is changed to the item in the process
• Theres also a toggle created to switch Alt art on and Off for people who wants to know what other wear during Pvp (ideally inspect function)
• there is also a warning message when trading a personalized item
• The used item is gone… sacrificed in the process, cant get it back
• this would have for effect to valourize items that look great/special but are bad, ie: Girswold edge or BoneSnap

why standard of heroes? First because it has no value and also Because Standard means “Banner, a visual representation of what you represent” and Heroes, therefor Standard of Heroes means " The visual representation of heores" and Anya Kinda thinks you are a heroe https://imgur.com/VW48DLW

I hate the term Transmog, it doesn’t belong in Diablo franchise, even less in D2, by definition transmog is to change an appearance to look grotestque and funny, that’s not what we would aim in Diablo 2, we want to look good, heroic and intimidating. I’d called it personalized gear

Got any other ideas of additional ladder types, share it

Note: to clarify because some don’t seem to get it, those are all running together on the same Ladder season, they aren’t ladder choices you make when you create your character, your ladder character can engage in all of those at once. The goal is to cut the boredom, segregating them into their own ladders would be counterproductive

People aren’t as much interested in the ladderboard as some pretend to https://strawpoll.com/2zqsfa4wj/r

[Goku-2734]

It’s gone since days and even if you’d pick for “ladder items only for ladder”, it wouldn’t change anything, because only around 5% people had this attitude.