You want to ruin the little incentive there is for players to play together just to solve a ‘problem’ that can be worked around by making a new game?
Good one 
That’s a mischaracterisation of many of us here who strongly disagree with having players 8 online who are also as legit as they come. Would love to see these ‘facts’ if this is the conclusion that you’ve come to.
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People can only get drop and exp when more than half players on the same map.
I really want to deny the play style that one player solo and 7 players in town
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Would also be bad because solo games would be far superior to multiplayer games.
Like I said a bunch of times already. Xp and nodrop bonus should only be applied for people in party and within 2-3 screens. Add enough bonus that divided by 8 the multiplayer games bring a little more loot than p1. Xp are ok like they are.
We need more incentive to play together and not alone in the multiplayer mode
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You mean it would be bad so you cant multibox → profit?
Thought so
You boxers/fg’ers are as untrustworthy as they come.
You cant be against P8 in nonladder unless you stand to lose current or future value/profit. Its as simple as that.
The main reason i dont believe you and your current angle; any potential dislike of p8 on nonladder is isntantly remedied by A. Not making p8 nl games B. Not joining them. C. Just playing ladder which should probably not get the option to let the cheat racers continue their weird method of play. I dont agree with it, but who am i to suggest its taken away? Thats their thing. Buy 8 accounts! Box! Gather FG like a chipmunk saving up for winter (next ladder).
But dont lie. You stand to lose something you arent speaking to.
Almost no one admits to multiboxing/botting/or stream cheating. They all are silent about it, or if it somehow comes out- they rationalize it away or sweep under the rug.
To deny players that need a higher difficulty setting to offset the many additions and power creep means your method of play is the only true one (playing to clear a screen in 1 sec and/or just farming for items)
The digusting part is your way doesnt allow our way. But our way allows yours and ours. So you’re the problem. Whatever lies or angle you are about to say will fall on deaf ears bc those are facts.
Like terror zones: dont like? Dont check the box! Play oldschool!
P8 on nonladder bnet? Dont like? P1 setting. Enjoy. You have exactly what you want. A crowd of monsters on hell that dies when you look at them. (Or you get to rmt/multibox/bot/fg and justify how its more fun to cheat while others cant/wont)
But nope. You are selfish. Even your assumed “there are good people that refuse p8” is impossible. A good person noncheater wants a game that will flourish and survive to the next generation. Not go deeper into RMT as you are so inadvertently (or directly in secret) promoting
Stop with this tirade dude.
You are the selfish and lazy one.
Everyone knows the truth: you’re not requesting /p8 for the increased difficulty. Nobody is buying it. It’s all about getting your grabby little troll hands on all that juicy loot without putting in any effort.
Pure entitlement and instant gratification craving.
Get lost troll with your tirades… Nobody is buying what you sell. You have zero credibility.
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Just what i expected.
The difficulty is a non factor because players have already figured stuff out and know they will blow up whole screens of monsters even on P8. It may not be 1 second but 5 seconds. You get the point.
You mentioned “fair” but how is fairness a factor in the non ladder environment?
Who are you competing against?
What part needs to be “fair” in the non ladder mode?
Getting players back to the game is currently done with introducing a “new” feature for the upcoming ladder season which is also in line with their patch cycle for this game.
Is it a bad thing to ask for the benefits?
No. But it’s sad to not be honest about it and trying to cover it up with something that is completly irrelevant to you as a player.
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You’re gonna be disappointed by his reply. He is completely unable to have a debate. He is going to call you an exploiter from now on.
He cannot admit that the main reason for asking for /p8 is greediness and entitlement, not at all increased ‘difficulty’, so his ‘70year old father’ can feel challenged. 
Otherwise he will be asking for a new difficulty level…but noo…it’s all about easier loot.
That’s fine!
What i am confused about with his reasoning is
As i already said that the excitement for it will stop after a few days / weeks and the whole discussion starts all over again. Players will also realize that p8 is not much of a challenge anymore but at that point the difficulty part is off the table already and the benefits are gained.
In short.
Add something now to get the benefits and justify it with fake reasons and then discuss the real difficulty changes, probably his step 2, which makes the previous addition completly obsolete. That is also why i said it’s a waste of resources and time.
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What in the world makes you think difficulty is a nonfactor?
I personally dont play broken classes. I have played melee exclusively since D2. When LOD hit I’ve stuck with shifters mainly. Barbs on the side because its really nice to actually have mobility.
So I cant speak for hammerdin that uses a broken combination (concentration + blessed hammer) and enigma to speedclear anything. I would imagine this is the classbots choose. As it kills anything on high player counts quickly.
If you compare a maxed out hurricane build with blessed hammer in the P8 setting, a hurricane druid or hybrid shifter actually needs to fight where as a hammerdin just deletes. Same goes for every melee and “nonmeta” class.
There are a handful of “meta” classes which is what item and value farmers have nicknamed unnacceptably broken mechamics/heros that need balancing. When you join a public game and 90% of players are either a hammerdin or sorc?
Yeah, its not a problem with a highered difficulty on P8, whats a problem is those classes recieve 10,000% more damage with certain combination that should have been nerfed a long long time ago.
Blizzard has lots of data and experience creating and maintaining unfair imbalances in classes going back as far as D2.
In WoW they used the deathknights’ brokennesss in wotlk to get a longtime group of players to play more. This, since, has become a successful strategy for design. and a large part why players left their games.
D2 was ignored until D2R, many returned to find its still that amazing game but still holds the onbalance.
P8 NL Bner + a higher “impossible mode” difficulty after hell, and nerfs to interactions like hammerdins concentration + bh is at the top of the list for positive changes to this game for players that dont abuse it.
Do not deny that most players play in the realm of abuse. Guys like Zaman personally attack because they are terrified to lose their value/RMT/FG
If you dont know what those things are, you have some catching up to do. They rule the game now. The vast majority of players play for items, not for fun.
Thats the irony aboy zamans’ attack above. All he cares about is that which he blames others for desiring.
This is not a game about farming for items, its a gane about killing monsters with friends. One of the first to ever accomolish this. It set the mold. And did it best, still to this day.
Those monsters happen to drop what kills them better.
Once you have gear you dont need more. All 5 of my druid shifter variations are geared to the 9’s. No reason to even collect runes other than for others.
I have no loot focus or desire. Give away a lot of GG stuff because messing with trading to egomaniacs that bot or FG is just not worth it. Ruins the games to walk into zamans’ toxic FG shop and deal with that sort of thing.
I’d much rather play with family/friends in an actually hard multiplayer game as we used to in D2 P8 TCP/IP.
Dude…can you for once bring some proof to your statements? Otherwise you just continue to confirm your status as an unimaginative troll and clown, full of empty lies and made-up stories.
You have zero credibility and I will prove it unlike you.
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Prepare to be dismantled, troll!
Because this is what your opinion was dude. We all see through your web of lies. You are just after the loot, troll.
This was also you back in February. How come than you were clueless begging for handouts and in the meantime became an expert!?
This is Toddwick guys!!! Playing only Druid, wondering why he doesn’t find anything playing only one class, and asking for handouts. Beggar turned activist! First he was asking to buff weredruid(very reasonable) and than switched to full on /p8.
It’s all about the loot for you. You are solely guided by greediness. You don’t fool anyone!!
P.S. Look what dear old Toddwick was saying in March:
How people change 180 degrees pushed by greediness. 
Come on Toddwick…come with a witty reply.
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haha you really got the troll here cant wait for another clown replay from Todd
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GG items have nothing to do with P8. As other posters mentioned - most items are not even picked up when farming. But it the RNG of finding x-perfect item was done best here in D2 and never replicated. Doesnt matter what mode your on.
One of the most nuts items i ever found, was in a shop on normal mode act 5. Great story about obtaining it (my dad and i had to sell ever piece of gear we had and get naked just to buy it)
Ill tell that if your curious. But its pretty obvious you just want to attack me, not the concept. As you do with any player that promotes p8.
Im not even caring about gg items any longer though its true, bc the game is so easy and boring there is no point. Why get an upgrade when the screen deletes? You will say this is baseless. But its exactly the as it is. Logon to a geared char, delete screen, wonder why zaman fought so hard to make us believe it isnt this way?
All you have just said are balancing issues between different builds / classes. You were more complaining about class / build imbalance than the difficulty aspect of the game.
That is a completly different topic however it is related to the players perception when it comes to difficulty. A less optimal buid will give you a harder time. Yes.
The suggested idea of adding P8 to battlenet and it’s reasoning as why it should be added is still missing, except that you want it.
Adding the fact that you mentioned RMT / FG over and over again, i am certain you are against it which i totally agree with.
However i don’t understand your reasoning as to how P8 in non ladder will affect RMT and forum gold during a ladder / season. Even with P8 on non ladder, the same activities will still be there on ladder. Hence it doesn’t change a thing and is certainly not a reason or arguement to implement it.
Prices for items on ladder are higher than on non ladder which will not change with P8 on battlenet. It is also a logical reason why players sell their ladder items for forum gold during the season. Ignoring the fact that it shouldn’t exist in the first place but the principle stays the same.
Lastly you claimed several times that ladder players abuse RMT / FG and that “the race” is full of cheaters and accused them of botting and cheating. That is very much an attack on every single legit player out there including myself and i am sure that they are not pleased to see it. Argueing for any change after offending a significant portion of the community several times certainly put you in a tough spot now.
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After all the evidence I provided you still lie through your teeth contradicting yourself
It’s over troll. Time to head back under the bridge and reevaluate your existence.
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This made me actually lol; You say this like you somehow proved something.
None of the words or personal attacks you used changed the fact that:
- Game is pathetically easy
- You and your cohorts or multiple forum identies will keep fg/RMT/botting/multiboxing to get advantage over other players via pay to win and keep lying about it to hold your benefits
3.real players will not stop wanting it and asking for it once they realize who runs the economy and profits off them
So in all of your final words, nothing has changed. You can mix and match pieces of different conversations and attack me all you want. Im just a face in the crowd that represents the players who are here for the game, not the profits. MRAmicro said it best when he implied you and identies like you can be searched with the word troll- the sheer amount of attacks this person or small group has made on concepts like P8 which do nothing to hurt real players (as it exists in bnet currently everday, but only on ypur hands the hands of abusers and cheaters)
Im not going anywhere. Nor will the 3 facts from above. Facts. You cant disprove those no matter what you say. Plenty of people will still ask for fairness and justice getting what exists in the fane currently for you only.
Cant wait to see you on the next topic and the next and the next. For you to only succede in wasting time delaying the inevitable.
Gulgir, ill give you the benefit of the doubt in the offchance you’re a real person and not part of the multi-identity whirlwind happening on these forums.
Be realistic for one second, you talk about resources spent- what is blizzard more likely to do; code an entire new difficulty and re-design every existing function around it? Or slap a setting that already exists onto game creation.
For example i “want” mobility for shifters - i.e. a charge/leap would be optimal to match the class. But realistically will they add a new skill to tree, create a new animation, deal with all the bugs? Ansolutely not if they can avoid it. And that avoidjng it is allowing shifters to cast teleport inform. One microchange to the form shift code. Its like terror zones.
Terror zones - pretty much nothing changed but the status of monsters. A highschool dropout coder could do that in a weekend. Everyone wanted more, but its what we got, and it served the function that was needed (alternative to baal runs).
If i was really about items and drops i wouldnt care about P8- terror zones add more to getting the best drops than anything else.
P8 is fair on NL because it doesnt effect the cheaters in their cheat race. Im sorry if you try to play legitimately in ladder, you will never beat the people who pay to win and hold the most conditions to win. But they do it over and over… the cheating is a built in function of that mode. They prepare for next season waaay early by selling items for FG. So they can get more faster next ladder. Let them have that insanity. That race has its constraints but legitimate players have no chance. None. Seems nit fair, but if you want fair thats wht yoy should ask for P8 non-ladder. It exists currently but only for cheaters.
It DOES effect difficulty immensely and feels like you ignored my explanation about it being not broken for fair non-meta classes, which are the best to play. Who wants the game to be even easier? Gross. They are on paladins and sorcs grinding away endlessly for items and value.
Gg items, really fun stuff is a blast to find. But bot all those have trade value, so abusers toss them aside. But its a blast to find those, has nothing to do with P8. The attacks from above have nothing to do with the game being too easy.
Which if they added 4rth teir difficulty that would be a blast. But will they? Probably never. Just like add a leap to shifter? Never.
Will they add P8, its possible with the resources they have. Not a waste considering how many players are on SSF offline for P8.
You ignore why they play there. It isnt just to be alone. Its for difficulty. Just like hardcore players. But thats a very different kind of difficulty. Adding P8 would mostlikely kill SSF offline. As you could have your cake and eat irt too. (Play with friends, or not!)
Dude…you even don’t have the decency to admit when you were caught lying. Even after multiple posts by you where you clearly beg for items and runes.
Posts where you make staments that completely contradict your current possition.
How can you live with yourself being such a spineless individual?!
What happened!? You had such a healthy view towards the game… I’m trully baffled!
Surreal how far down the path of degradation greed and envy can bring someone.
I trully and honestly pity you from all my heart.
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