Ladder exclusives are toxic

[Revenant309-1514]

Typical GenZ post… I did not get my way ergo the decision is toxic.

Ladder is what has kept this game going for 2 decades, it fuels the non ladder wether you want to accept it or not.

[Endz-1991]

As long as the runewords get filtered down after a season I see no issue

Non ladder has infinite accumulative wealth

Ladder does not

Next

[Hanz-1979]

@KisekiNecro-1240

No, but ladder exclusive isnt new neither. It been there ever since ladder is introduced. So core game play still hasnt change from that prespective.

stop spreading misinformation

ladder has never had an completely exclusive mechanic
rw mechanic was not exclusive to ladder, the same for uniques and cube recipes

@Odin-1905

No, you are toxic and you feel entitled.

the only entitlement here is ladder players gatekeeping content

@Revenant309-1514

Typical GenZ post… I did not get my way ergo the decision is toxic.

typical gatekeeper post

@Revenant309-1514

Ladder is what has kept this game going for 2 decades, it fuels the non ladder wether you want to accept it or not.

bc it was badly designed this way

@Endz-1991

Non ladder has infinite accumulative wealth

this is pointless with rmt and jsp

[slprywhnwet-1269]

@bladezero25-1893

The vast majority of players rejoiced when ladder-only items and runes were removed on release. When blizzard created new ladder only rune words, even with the promise of their coming off ladder later, they did nothing but fracture the community and create more ill-will between players.

Let’s be clear. A ladder player is fundamentally different from non-ladder and single player. Favoring them sends a message of either neglect or disdain for a majority of players who actively play differently.

It’s toxic.

however often you are seeing your therapist isnt often enough. this isnt “toxic” or fracturing the community. it is literally how the game has been since ladder launched a looong time ago. What is your basis that the vast majority of players rejoiced? The 10 people you talked to that also dont like ladder?

[Odin-1905]

@Hanz-1979

the only entitlement here is ladder players gatekeeping content

you can create a ladder char and play the content, no gatekeeping

[Anu-11792]

Said it multiple times

The difference between ladder and non ladder shouldn’t be access to stuff

It shouldn’t be access to content nor items nor feature

The difference between ladder and non ladder should be resetting the leaderboard

But for this to be interesting you need to make the leaderboard more interesting by adding multiple metrics and activities

@Anu-11792

stuff like:

• Holy grail

a challenge to the first with all items. To ensure the validity of the entries, it only accounts items that were first picked up by you. So no selling of unid items to trick the holy grail.Comes with the introduction of the Holy grail tab

• the demonic list

• every time you kill a super Unique, the whole game gains +1mlvl(unactivated mobs, capped at 85-87), when all areas reach mlvl85, the buff to mobs is dmg/life/xp/noloot/resistances

Ideally super uniques would gain more buff than regular mobs, making each next one harder and harder. There could even be some shenanigan with them being allowed to higher mlvl lvl and TC so down the line they can drop everything to compensate the fact that no-loot bonus doesn’t affect them

This would incite people to hunt them

Finally we would have a reason to kill blood raven

We would have a reason to revisit the den of evil for Corpsefire, the barrack for the smith, maggot for coldworm, etc

All especially all those more unknown

People would learn about all the Super uniques and potentially their story

There are like 60 of them

Killing them all could even trigger a special event. Potentially using legendary super Unique removes from the game or some never seen like Reziarfg http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act5-reziarfg.shtml

People would create games and hunt parties to kill them all, have better farming areas and ultimately trigger the Event

• Restless Darkness

When you full clear an area, sunbeams appear like in the den of evil and you character says something

At that moment, a time starts

10 minutes(example time) later a message springs

“Darkness has engulfed The far Oasis, evil walks again on this land”

the area is repopulated with monsters, stronger ones

This buff to monsters is similar to what playercount provides

• dmg
• life
• xp
• no loot

But also

• mlvl*
• all resists(including magic and up to 99 )
• maybe even a bit more density

• King of the Hell

Game with hell baal quest completed have this mechanic. This mechanic determines the total number of monsters in the game and the least of them are left, the stronger they become.

For more details:

The PERFECT endgame solution!

You have a tracker displaying the % of the game that is cleared. This is where the leaderboard gets it’s data. Highest % reached, highest % boss kills, fastest time to reach 100%

• The 9 circles of hell

where hell becomes harder each time you complete it. On the last Hell act bosses are harder than regular ubers. First to complete the game on this ultra hard difficulty

• PVP

every account starts with 100pts, each time you kill somebody you gain 10% of his points if hostility is mutual and 1% if not

• Bounty Hunting (A)

Every hour the game asks players on the server to kill X type of monster, they are then considered p10&mlvl85(placeholder difficulty), giving more Xp, more items but also way harder to kill and more dangerous. these monsters also giving Points toward the bounty leaderboard

Ie: Go to Natalya and she say “I got report from the order that there is an invasion of Urdar, go kill them and they’ll reward you”

• Bounty hunting (B)

every new game, Natalya has a contract for you

monsters are gathering in a specific area, gathering troops to launch an assault on a city
she mandates you to go cleanse this area
monsters are empowered and guided by a leader boss
this empowerment consists in dmg/mlvl/life/noloot/resist/density

• Anya’s personalized art transmuation

demo: https://m.imgur.com/eziwaIc

Step 1: kill nilatak

Step 2: got see Anya which will grant you a free personalization

Step3: put the item you want changed on the left

Step 4: put the item you want the left items to look like on the right

Step5: if out of free personalization put a standard of heroes in the bottom slot

Step 6: click personalize and claim your item

Disclaimer: Have to mention beforehand

• completing the quest grant you 1 for free, so 3 free shots like Akara’s respec
• This is only a visual transmutation, not stats is changed to the item in the process
• Theres also a toggle created to switch Alt art on and Off for people who wants to know what other wear during Pvp (ideally inspect function)
• there is also a warning message when trading a personalized item
• The used item is gone… sacrificed in the process, cant get it back
• this would have for effect to valourize items that look great/special but are bad, ie: Girswold edge or BoneSnap

why standard of heroes? First because it has no value and also Because Standard means “Banner, a visual representation of what you represent” and Heroes, therefor Standard of Heroes means " The visual representation of heores" and Anya Kinda thinks you are a heroe https://imgur.com/VW48DLW

I hate the term Transmog, it doesn’t belong in Diablo franchise, even less in D2, by definition transmog is to change an appearance to look grotestque and funny, that’s not what we would aim in Diablo 2, we want to look good, heroic and intimidating. I’d called it personalized gear

Got any other ideas of additional ladder types, share it

Note: to clarify because some don’t seem to get it, those are all running together on the same Ladder season, they aren’t ladder choices you make when you create your character, your ladder character can engage in all of those at once. The goal is to cut the boredom, segregating them into their own ladders would be counterproductive

People aren’t as much interested in the ladderboard as some pretend to https://strawpoll.com/2zqsfa4wj/r

[Hanz-1979]

@Odin-1905

you can create a ladder char and play the content, no gatekeeping

what is the point to keep it ladder only?

“keeping the same for the sake of keeping the same” ?

[bladezero25-1893]

Great constructive post.

Thank you.

[Revenant309-1514]

@Hanz-1979

stop spreading misinformation

ladder has never had an completely exclusive mechanic
rw mechanic was not exclusive to ladder, the same for uniques and cube recipes

Yes it 100% was. NL did not have access to the same cube recipes and runewords as Ladder, same with SP (without a mod).

Take your own advice here Mr “lawyer”

[Odin-1905]

@Hanz-1979

what is the point to keep it ladder only?

“keeping the same for the sake of keeping the same” ?

To give people more reason to play ladder. To lure people from their day to day gaming live into a new environment.

[slprywhnwet-1269]

@Anu-11792

Said it multiple times

The difference between ladder and non ladder shouldn’t be access to stuff

It shouldn’t be access to content nor items nor feature

The difference between ladder and non ladder should be resetting the leaderboard

and the playerbase has shown multiple times that just because other people want to tell someone why everyone plays ladder doesnt mean the are right. who are you to decide what ladder should have or not have? The newest items/gameplay have always been in ladder first and always will be. This is obviously by design and should surprise no one

[Revenant309-1514]

@Hanz-1979

bc it was badly designed this way

Thats your bias opinion… Seemed to work just fine for millions of players…

[Anu-11792]

@Revenant309-1514

Thats your bias opinion… Seemed to work just fine for millions of players…

Lol

There is only one option
100% of players use this single option
Therefor it’s the best option

Great logic lol

[Hanz-1979]

@Revenant309-1514

Yes it 100% was.

wrong

@Revenant309-1514

NL did not have access to the same cube recipes and runewords as Ladder, same with SP (without a mod).

but it did has access to some cube recipes, the same for uniques and RWs
so ladder never had a completely exclusive mechanic

@Revenant309-1514

Mr “lawyer”

ty

@Odin-1905

To give people more reason to play ladder.

isnt ladder it self enough? the fresh start and economy? i mean, thats exactly what was targeted as ladder objective in 1.10 patch notes

@Odin-1905

To lure people from their day to day gaming live into a new environment.

with the exception of ladder boards and exclusive content, ladder is almost exactly as non ladder

@Revenant309-1514

Thats your bias opinion…

every opinon is biased, but mine is founded with 1.10 patch notes info
yours is just something you took out of thin air

@Revenant309-1514

Seemed to work just fine for millions of players…

whats your reference? it could have worked even more if it was better designed

[slprywhnwet-1269]

@Hanz-1979

isnt ladder it self enough? the fresh start and economy? i mean, thats exactly what was targeted as ladder objective in 1.10 patch notes

who are you to say that cant add more to make ladder even more appealing? isnt having everything in non-ladder shortly after ladder enough?

[Revenant309-1514]

@Anu-11792

There is only one option

False, there was always the option to stay on NL or play SP with a Mod to unlock it all.

@Anu-11792

100% of players use this single option

Also false, millions did not imply 100%

@Hanz-1979

wrong

100% factual, NL did not have the ability to create certain runewords, cube certain recipes, ect…
Not sure why we are debating this, its 100% common knowledge, if you have been playing the game as long as you claim…

@Hanz-1979

but it did has access to some cube recipes, the same for uniques and RWs
so ladder never had an completely exclusive mechanic

Thanks for contradicting yourself and agreeing with me. No further questions… Checkmate.

[Odin-1905]

@Hanz-1979

isnt ladder it self enough? the fresh start and economy? i mean, thats exactly what was targeted as ladder objective in 1.10 patch notes

For some it is. For some it’s not enough, but item rewards are.
I don’t need more than a fresh leaderboard, but I know that ladder is more populated if there are additional rewards.

@Hanz-1979

with the exception of ladder boards and exclusive content, ladder is almost exactly as non ladder

The biggest difference is items/chars. If you start a playthrough in NL or midladder, you probably will have people using preexisting gold/runes/gems instead of using what has been found. You don’t have the option on a new ladder start. Same goes for waypoints etc. You will also find more people to do xp runs in ladder than in NL. It feels different and many people won’t try because they don’t know this.

You see it in all the other games too. People play the new season and leave for the next game. Then they come back for the new season. If it’s the same as non season, people start skipping seasons until they don’t come back anymore. That’s why I like the “new” system with adding something small to ladder before it is available to nonladder.

@Hanz-1979

but it did has access to some cube recipes, the same for uniques and RWs
so ladder never had an completely exclusive mechanic

Rune cubing says hello.

[Hanz-1979]

@slprywhnwet-1269

who are you to say that cant add more to make ladder even more appealing?

im not saying they cant
im questioning why it has to be exclusive content? or even worst, exclusive mechanics?
why cant we learn with d3 mistakes?

@slprywhnwet-1269

isnt having everything in non-ladder shortly after ladder enough?

the problem is with 2.5 ptr presentation
there is no mentioning to TZs being ladder only
only pez and his bad wording

@Revenant309-1514

100% factual, NL did not have the ability to create certain runewords, cube certain recipes, ect…
Not sure why we are debating this, its 100% common knowledge, if you have been playing the game as long as you claim…

you fail to understand again
RWs is a whole mechanic, part of this mechanic was LD only but never the whole mechanic
Cube recipe is a whole mechanic, part of this mechanic was LD only but never the whole mechanic
Uniques system is a whole mechanic, part of this mechanic was LD only but never the whole mechanic
TZs system is a whole new mechanic, the whole mechanic is, until they say the oposite, totally confined inside ladder
This has never happened before, its a whole new lvl of exclusivity

@Revenant309-1514

Thanks for contradicting yourself and agreeing with me. No further questions… Checkmate.

i hope its clear now

@Odin-1905

For some it’s not enough

entitlement

@Odin-1905

but I know that ladder is more populated if there are additional rewards.

placebo, nothing more than that
if people play bc of exclusive content it just means that ladder it self is a big fail of a system

@Odin-1905

The biggest difference is items/chars. If you start a playthrough in NL or midladder, you probably will have people using preexisting gold/runes/gems instead of using what has been found. You don’t have the option on a new ladder start. Same goes for waypoints etc. You will also find more people to do xp runs in ladder than in NL. It feels different and many people won’t try because they don’t know this.

many against ssf mode argue that people can already emulate it
the same aplies here, just dont use any pre-farmed item
so, very little difference still betwen LD and NL

@Odin-1905

Rune cubing says hello.

only dol+ was LD only
rune upgrading mechanic wasnt completely exclusive to LD

[slprywhnwet-1269]

@Hanz-1979

placebo, nothing more than that

pretty sure you dont know what that word means

[Odin-1905]

@Hanz-1979

placebo, nothing more than that
if people play bc of exclusive content it just means that ladder it self is a big fail of a system

so tournaments are a big fail because you get exclusive rewards if you participate and win? Strange logic buddy. Think again.