Its time to nerf Hammerdins. Change my mind

[Chris61582-1926]

@Razor-1833

Hammerdin = 1212121212121212 (teleport, hammer, teleport hammer) yawn

Hammerdins are probably the most easymode class in the game by far. Waaaaay too powerful in every aspect with very little gear required. There is a reason so many people pick them out of the gate. Its overdue for them to be nerfed like many other classes were.

Simply put - hammers were most definitely not built with teleport in mind. They were never meant to be used with such mobility. Add to the fact that they can pretty much not be resisted and do up to almost 18k damage and its a no brainer. No class needs to do that much damage, no other class CAN do that much unresistable, unblockable damage.

Before anyone comes in blathering on about “but sorcs can tele blah blah”…well, alI can say is if you really dont understand the difference between the squishiest class in the game built with teleport for survivability from the ground up vs a fully armored and shielded hammerdin with max gear, defense, max hp max fcr, dex etc than you are beyond hope. Even worse, their gear is a nice one size fits all package with max resist, MF, damage, etc.

To those defending hammerdins - why do you need this game to be so easy?

TBH

Teleport toss Lighting fury
Teleport Set traps
Teleport Zerk Zerk hork hork
Teleport FOH
Teleport Blizz/static

You see where I am going with this yea?

[Zilliman-2511]

All you guys keep coming up with ridiculous proposals. Typically nerfs. Nerf teleport, nerf hammerdins, nerf this and that…

You cannot change the game so much it is not D2 anymore!

I mean, hey, why not give my Bowazon MAGIC damage, I mean screw the Cold and Fire, let’s have magic instead. Let me spend 20 points in the Bows tree and do Hammerdin-like, irresistible damage with my bows, for those pesky PIs… And with just 1 mana point, so I do not run out of mana trying to kill a PI…

[Kimpa-2868]

@Zilliman-2511

I mean, hey, why not give my Bowazon MAGIC damage,

You kind of already have magic arrow for phys immunes tho

[rod-1442]

Remove concentration aura damage but offset the skill by trippling its damage output. There, no more need for concentration and it would be a little more streamlined while doing slightly less damage but gaining more utility.

[Kimpa-2868]

It would be able to spend those concentration points and almost max both resist fire and lightning for extra max res. While doing slightly less damage. Almost like a net positive for botters since their bots won’t chicken out ever.

[rod-1442]

Bhammer could be reworked to gain cast speed with fanata or become interruptable and give you a reason to use concentration but without the added damage. Also, concentration could be reworked to scale uninterruptable % and maybe its damage reworked. It should output more damage than fanata imho but sacrifice ias and ar.

[Nymerius-11819]

And god forbid there are walls near the mobs. You aren’t killing anything in a hallway or a tunnel. Act 2 is a cancer for Hammys pretty much the whole way thru if you don’t have teleport yet. It’s very slow to start to kill. Many other classes have cleared a whole area before the Hammerdin even gets his wind-up going.

The choices are make one. Hate one. Or follow one around. Nerfing should never be the goto. Elevating others is the way.

[Madtusk-1654]

@Dax-12338

Only baddies play hammerdins

We’re blessed to have Pixel Hero among us. Tell me, goodie, what class that you play has a rotation? xD… maybe MA sin has kind of primitive rotation with those charges and finishers… That’s wrong game for attitide.

[Jhaerik-1897]

Actually with the addition of force move that’s no longer completely true. Even Maggot lair is pretty simple for an enigma-less Hammerdin now. You just force move into the mobs.

As for the magic immunes just use some tele charges You can skip all of them and easily push past Act 2.

[Baalor-1885]

@Razor-1833

why do you need this game to be so easy?

Requiring multiple high end runewords is not what I’d define as “easy.” Most other classes with similar end game gear clear just as well, if not better. I disagree that hammers are overpowered, so therefore they don’t need a nerf.

The closest thing in your OP that I agree with is the unresistable and unblockable damage. Which is just more fuel for the argument that damage immunities are a horrible game design and need to go.

[holofonoro-1434]

No.

Blizzard, PLEASE don’t ever cave into people asking for nerfs on classes and builds they don’t play. Just keep buffing underused items and builds to be more viable and we’ll be good.

[VILEINFECTED-1831]

What do you mean, vmagi, wiz spike, 25 fcr spirit and 2x fcr rings and you are p8 chaos ready. Hammerdin is easy AF

[spectr3-1843]

Hammerdin is ok for most part. Has been OP for many years though and Zealot Pally isn’t even an effective alternative with FOH pally. Only beef I have with Paladins are that they’re portrayed as a sword and shield class. Yet this game and recent patch updates turned them into a class that has two casting builds that are far superior to its melee side. Maybe that is why they want us to make Spirit rune word inside of a sword and shield…

[蛙袂酸忠痛-3685]

Easy , give every monster in game 50% magic resist , done.
(also make convic lower the magic resist)

[rod-1442]

That would mean we need more magic resist gear.

[Kimpa-2868]

@Nymerius-11819

Act 2 is a cancer for Hammys pretty much the whole way thru if you don’t have teleport yet. It’s very slow to start to kill. Many other classes have cleared a whole area before the Hammerdin even gets his wind-up going.

That is the worst arguement for not nerfing a class i have ever heard in any game.

Maggot lair is the only annoying part a hammerdin faces and it is not even challenging. Wave 2 baal is mildly inconvenient at worst.

[shadowcat-1769]

@Zilliman-2511

@Ubeogesh-2804

So it’d be a decent nerf

Why would you want to “nerf” a class? What’s it to you? Is it a PvP issue you are trying to solve? Otherwise there are dozens of classes and skills which are either overpowered, or underpowered for the skill point investment. And many runewords that steamroll over any delicate balance there may have been in the past.

And all you can talk about is not “let’s balance everything, let’s make INTERESTING skills and synergies that mean something”, all you guys do is “nerf teleport! nerf hammers!”…

I say leave things as is. If you think a class is too easy, go remove half your gear.

Because he’s one of those people who believe their class should be the strongest…Just like with Diablo III’s Barb&Monk players at the beginning campaigning to nerf the Demon Hunter to start with then moved on to the Wizard,Witch Doctor classes as well…It didn’t end well for these Trolls tho because eventually the Barb&Monk were nerfed as well. The moral of the story being don’t scream nerf because eventually you’ll get nerfed too

[CleanLX-1524]

@spectr3-1843

Zealot Pally isn’t even an effective alternative with FOH pally. Only beef I have with Paladins are that they’re portrayed as a sword and shield class. Yet this game and recent patch updates turned them into a class that has two casting builds that are far superior to its melee side.

Quoted for truth…
Really wish melee had a mechanic that allowed them the same “drop chance” as the near-instant room clearing builds.
Only have 2 characters in game, both zeal based Pally’s, and I truely enjoy the play, but goodness the drops are hard to make happen.
No desire to play caster/room- disintegrate’r, so, I’ll continue to suck it up LOL!

[Baalor-1885]

So are the other classes.

[TheVlad-1681]

teleport, ww, teleport, ww, teleport, ww

I dont see your point being valid in the way you place it. I have a proposition.

The only time hammer is an issue is in PvP, otherwise it performs very well and should be left alone. remember you cant have conc and tele active simultaneously so thats another button and step.

this is the proposition. in pvp, magic damage is unhindered. I propose more items with magic res or giving special pvp-nerfing to magic damage to compensate for the lack of magic res available in the game.

The bone necro also uses magic damage, to greater effect than the Hdin in terms of aim but deals much less damage and…this is the strange part…conc does not increase bone spell damage. why does concentrate increase hammer damage, but not bone damage? both are magic based.

I believe the answer is in the origins of blessed hammer, which originally dealt half phys and half magic dmg.

SOOOOOOOO, they could also just make it so conc doesnt add damage to hammer, or allow bone spells to benefit from it.

I think in either case, we need more ways to mitigate magic damage. Fade should provide magic res too, that’s stupid that it doesnt.