Item Drop rates are good enough and here is why

[Hanz-1979]

@Zaman-2521

Hanz, dear. Can you for once not cherry pick the first phrase out of context? Make an effort and read the whole thing. Don’t think small. Look at the game as a whole. All your answers are there. You see, but you don’t look.

There is no cherry picking

Your post is fully based on that first part so everything that comes after it is also not true

@Zaman-2521

Joke aside, that’s one of your problems. If you would kill more ‘trash’ even in solo, in full games is implied, maybe you would find more stuff.

High chance to roll junk tc make them not worth the dmg and hp increase therefor the time to kill

[SalveWarsong-1819]

@MrEos-11448

I’m usally done with it within 3 weeks these days anyway. So what’s the point?

That’s a personal problem.

@MrEos-11448

I don’t keep farming out to build that enigma. I start “Playing” the game and enjoying what I built.

If you’re waiting til Enigma to start enjoy builds, you’re absolutely playing the game wrong, and you’re going to be miserable. D2 is 90% journey, and 10% destination, especially ladder.

@jimmy69-21643

damn you are big noob
get good

@MrEos-11448

The only difference is this time, I’ll have an enigma on most my character instead of passing around an single Insight runeword amongst my 20 characters?

Seems to me like you’re unwilling to accept the fact that you’re not going to gear out 20 characters in a season. If you haven’t figured out this fact of D2, what in the world were you doing buying a remaster?

@MrEos-11448

It’s about after 20 years of playing this game

I’d like to play with an enigma at some point.

90% of runewords may as well not exist for me, because of the drop rates. And at current rates, My game is already uninstalled LONG before I even get a whiff of it. It’s like a feature of a game that you never get to play with. Because some of you think that there should be “haves and have-nots” in a video game

You are absolutely playing the game incorrect. I got 2 Jah, 2 Sur etc. in under 2 months in non-ladder with a crappy trav Barb I built on a whim in a day or two with random gear I’d picked up.

@Odin-1905

Just accept that you are just bad at this game and move on. You can mod sp to shower you in loot.

Qft.

[Zax-11538]

@Zahramar-21937

Says the guy who literally got his top-gear items from exploiters with high MF and is doing efficient MF runs with them (and still finding close to nothing!!), is that not ironic? Keep on being dishonest.

Playing with high MF is exploiting? What? And now, I am trading with normal people like me, who trade on discord server or between our clan mates. Reality is that I dont trade that much anyway, I usualy only sell items for Rune. I dont really buy much as I like to find it on my own.

@Zahramar-21937

It’s no “excuse” it’s reality - a fact. RMTers and “currency” traders

It absolutly is your excuse. Every time there is someone who is finding good stuff and saiyng they dont have issue to get loot you and few others come with this hilarious excuse.

@Zahramar-21937

(and still finding close to nothing!!)

? Who is saying I find nothing lol I find plenty of good things.

[Zaman-2521]

I found yesterday a +2druid/20fcr/30frw/2os rare Tiara that I sold for 2Ber. These guys won’t even pick it up and than they complain they don’t find valuable stuff.

[MicroRNA-1507]

The infamous and fictional “These guys”.

[Zax-11538]

Yes these guys who make topics how blizz need to increase drops while they let good things on ground and dont even pick it up and then complaign they are not finding anything because in their head are only stuff like shako or griffon valuable.

[Zaman-2521]

@Zax-11538

then complaign they are not finding anything because in their head are only stuff like shako or griffon valuable.

And HR’s, of course. They don’t check magic claws/javelins/elite armours/shields. They don’t check rares like melee weapons to check for cruel and fools mode. They don’t craft or re roll charms. If they do they stick to caster amulets when blood helms/gloves can go for astronomical prices. There are so many ways to gather wealth in a completely legit way without fg or rmt.
But it’s easier to beg for handouts in the form of /p8 online or increased drop rates.

[MicroRNA-1507]

@Zaman-2521

They don’t check magic claws/javelins/elite armours. They don’t check rares like melee weapons to check for cruel and fools mode. They don’t craft or re roll charms.

All knowing one what color shirt am I wearing since you know so much about “They”.

Please stop writing fiction.

[Zaman-2521]

@MicroRNA-1507

All knowing one what color shirt am I wesring since you know so much about “They”.

Please stop writing fiction.

Dude…you are irrelevant. Begone. You’ve shown your true colours and inability to debate. Stop begging for attention like you do for items.
Go in peace.

[MicroRNA-1507]

What you claim is factually inaccurate. In this thread, you were provided historical quotes that refute your claim.

You do not know how “They” or “These guys” play just like you do not know what color shirt I am wearing.

[Zaman-2521]

@MicroRNA-1507

You do not know how “They” or “These guys” play just like you do not know what color shirt I am wearing.

Once again when you have no arguments you switch to semantics or any other subject. Pathetic.
I have gave up trying to reason with you.
Go on and make some posts begging for some loot, /p8 or better drops.

Would you quit bugging me if I gave you some free items or runes? What do you want?

[MicroRNA-1507]

Please stop mischaracterizing people and naming & shaming.

[Zaman-2521]

@MicroRNA-1507

Please stop mischaracterizing people and naming & shaming.

Don’t play the diversity&inclusion card with me, troll. You will be unsuccessful.

"Go back to the shadow" - Gandalf

[Gulgir-2215]

I don’t know what your character(s) look like but my softcore ladder character (light sorc) that i started last week is still running around with Ancient’s Pledge, Stealth, a Spirit, random yellow boots with faster run / walk, random gloves, FCR rings and a crafted amulet with resistances and + Life and +Mana. I got an Insight recently for my act II merc to reduce the amount of mana pots i need to buy. I am planning on switching to a ACT V merc later on once i got reasonable stuff for him.
I am currently sitting in Act III NM and i farm Mephisto to slowly gain some XP while hoping for some items that will help me out. The highest rune i currently have is a Shael rune and i am more than happy with the progress.
I pretty much enjoy the journey and i don’t think any adjustments in drop rates / chances are needed…

[MicroRNA-1507]

@Zaman-2521

troll

I asked you to please stop mischaracterizing people and naming & shaming. In your reply, you called me a troll.

[SalveWarsong-1819]

@Zaman-2521

Once again when you have no arguments you switch to semantics or any other subject. Pathetic.
I have gave up trying to reason with you.
Go on and make some posts begging for some loot, /p8 or better drops.

I don’t want to call you a slow learner, but I discovered this 6 months ago after debating him extensively. His argumentative strategies are exactly as you describe, which is why I largely avoid debating with him. He doesn’t win, he strawmans or misses the point on purpose because he can’t let objective reality bar his agenda.

/shrug

[Zaman-2521]

@SalveWarsong-1819

I don’t want to call you a slow learner, but I discovered this 6 months ago after debating him extensively.

I agree. I genuinely hoped he can substantiate his statements, but it’s all about being right for him, not actually having a productive debate. Always cherry picking, spinning the facts to fit his narrative. Learned my lesson.

[Gulgir-2215]

There is a significant difference between argueing for or against something and discussing, do brainstorming or evolving an idea into something that has potential to be good for the game.
I tend to end up in discussing his idea (mostly something optional) with MicroRNA, which is nothing bad and it is still constructive.

EDIT: Most importantly is that both side stay objective and don’t get into personal attacks which i see a lot here.

[MasterBLB-1518]

I have a question to all who claim drop rates are fine currently - if they are fine then why there is so much botting, why RMT sites exits, why to use multiboxing etc.? If the loot is so plentiful as you claim then I see no need for any above, yet they do exist. How you’d explain that?

[MicroRNA-1507]

I already described my arguments and rationale including simple economics. Instead of discussing the merits, some have resorted to personal atracks.

The idea put forth is that p8 online or increased drop rate will lead to.more good items dropping. That is a reasonable conclusion.

This is where things get murky. Some have an OPINION that drop rates are fine as is, or should either be lowered or raised. These are all personal opinions. None are right and none are wrong.

It is like condemning someone for liking the taste of apples over pears or vice versa. Anyone who condemns someone over their fruit preference is wrong.

Next, we have the argument that raising the drop rates will kill the game. Factually, drop rates have neen raised in the past due to widespread player feedback and the game survived, invalidating that argument.

Next, some have made the argument that increased drops lead to inflation. That makes no sense in simple economic terms. As supply increases, this tends to result in lower prices. Lets consider sunder charms. Initially, they were rare and not many had them. Now since more have them, people frequently give them away for free. It is simple.

In contrast, some claim that more good items lead to inflation. This is illogical.

Next, we see people just attacking the messenger since the messenger’s arguments can not be refuted.