How the Amazon's Bow could be Buffed Legitimately (Druid Inspired)

I am 100% confident that of anything that I have ever written here that my most impactful point has been with the Druid and how he must properly compete with the offensive outputs of the Sorceress and Necromancer. The 2 life per vitality(like them), the single skill tree devotion implication(like sorceress), the mana regenerating solar creeper(like warmth). (Not even the Necromancer has a mana regenerating ability, which is why I suggested alternating iron golems between thorns and redemption aura). The elements of the sorceress and the minions of the army SCREAM that fire claws should be applying fire damage to his wolves and bear. Not that this magically solves the problem overall but that it would surely be a part of the solution. (synergies most likely the problem)

Now the opportunity with this change lies with the concept of elemental damage on attack for strength (fire on wolves/bear).

With this idea being as good as it obviously is, it might continue to reveal a significant opportunity to create an on going theme for properly strengthening/balancing Heroes.

Previously I had talked about adding “Magic Scythe” in to the game for the Necromancer. Replacing bone wall or teeth. An AOE attack competing with whirl wind. But make it twice as potent as the Amazon’s Magic Arrow, meaning for the possibility to reach 80-100% converting physical to magic damage as opposed to MA’s 40-50% max possible. That idea also ended up being really good in my opinion because the pre-requisites almost supported it perfectly.

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Melee Necro Consideration to Establish his Diversity Complete

So Super Cuddles and others have been talking about this “Bow Mastery” idea for the Barbarian and I was explaining to them how Bow Mastery would have to be for bows exclusively and apply some kind of elemental/magic damage to the arrow. But… I would rather see Cross Bow mastery make it on to the Barbarian and others agreed with that point also. But how would cross bow mastery work? I couldn’t fathom it to be a skill that enhances damage and critical chance which the Amazon already does. However, I could see Xbow mastery increasing both a chance to pierce and apply open wounds and increasing attack rating. This actually makes a lot more sense for the barb because he is the biggest tank in the game who simply wouldn’t start being “Cannon Capable”.

So then there I was and here I am now with this elemental bow mastery that would add Cold, Fire, Lightning and Magic damage on to attack and it even aligned with a missing hero 8 ability “Magic Mastery” that would reduce resists or amp damage in a Large Stationary AoE for specific elements of those particular damage types as Cold, Fire, Lightning and Magic are understood as “Magical”. The Magic Mastery spell debuffs would consist of 4 seperate spells (F, I, L, M)

It got me thinking… What if they took Magic Arrow out of the game because they had found a good/great enough reason to put Magic Scythe in to the game aforementioned? Then the opportunity to take it’s place with this free floating “Bow Mastery” would be on the table.

With this Bow Mastery they could rethink and re-proportion how they believe that bow attacks need to be buffed and they may not need to be physically buffed at all because bow mastery would be applying these flat elemental damages to Multi Shot, Strafe, Guided Arrow, etc.

But that’s very familiar to the fire claws on druid wolves and bear that we all actually wanted deep down, because there is a greater truth and significance of this theme for getting Hero’s offenses where they need to be with the possibility of maybe not having to buff anything.

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Dude, just give it up. No one cares.

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It’s time for the :popcorn:

Does it look like I care that no one cares?

I’m a writer through and through.

The only one that apparently cares, is the bumper that is YOU.

And your likes that currently are of 2.

Flag this idiot and move on so we can get this incoherent gibberish off the forums.

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No. Leave Bowazon alone, it’s perfectly fine and fun as it it. It doesn’t need omni elemental damage, or any weird new age rpg mechanics. It’s a bow, it shoots arrows, if you want elemental damage there are already several skills that do that.

If you want elemenal damage on Strafe/Multishot/GA then stack charms that add it, or swap to a Harmony for Physical Immunes. If you want an alternative to purely physical stick a treachery on. Does around 800 poison DPS by itself. Works great to kill wraiths.

They aren’t leaving the bowazon alone.

Omni elemental/magic damage in a flat amount applied to bows is different than converting X% of physical damage in to an element. Even if that skill adds a small amount of flat damage, that’s not even the skill people use. Different would be different.

Amazons use Freezing Arrow or Exploding/Immolation.

No it’s still just a number. Doesn’t matter if you base it off a percentage or a flat value. There are exactly 2 physical Amazon bow options. The numbers don’t change. A percentage value might as well be a flat value. Well except the flat value would get crappier the more gear/charms you got…

A flat value would also mean stacking +skill… the value would have to be so high that you might as well just play a sorc for all the physical damage you’d lose. At some point you’re no longer a MS zon, you’r a Meteorb Sorc with narrow hips and no TP.

Fire and Ice with synergies under a Mastery enhancing by % is comparable to quad magic damage types of a flat amount? 0.o

Multi shot would lose physical damage when you only 1 point multi shot in most cases? 0.o

Amazons already have a solid Plague Jav/Bow build where you don’t even have to 1 point multi shot, you can even ultimately max strafe and have a solid valkarie tank.

Remember how useless bow gcs were for physical bows? Well… it wouldn’t be that way anymore. Your physical bow skills would receive both the % enhanced physical damage and the flat quad magic flat damage.

I don’t understand how you talk about the possibility of stacking flat values but then proceed to say that the value would be insignificant and damaging to physical bow damage. Zons have the skill points to shift off of valkerie. The flat magic damage would only get better and better with continued stacking and increasing of bow attack speed especially on strafe.

I only wish I had the free time OP does.

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Man I dunno about your java bowazon thing. I already clear screens quickly with just the bow… Why do you need Javs?

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I 100% agree that the plague jav throwing is clunky and the cooldown horrendous. That cool down is something that they adjusted and it was totally necessary. Why do you need cooldown on a 10 + second wait time for psn damage to end?

No you don’t lol. That’s why they just buffed physical bow lol.

We both agree that they are stupid for doing this but for different reasons.

If you clear your screen with bow then you must have found one of those super rare RARE bows that do 300% + damage and have 5% chance to proc Amp Damage along with the 5 % chance to proc amp damage Atmas Scarab.

Reapers toll decrepify doesn’t cast the whole screen, and slow/poison are a tandem.

The plague jav/physical bow has always been the staple build for low budget whether people realize or want to admit it or not. Just because they are so lazy and uncoordinated to utilize weapon swap which establishes diablo 2 identity over diablo 3 means they can’t learn to play a legitimate offensively effective Amazon build?

The physical bower “glass cannon” caliber offense was never meant to be a theme. Diversity and Versatility were most certainly meant to be a theme however.

Learn Reality.

Physical bowa is already offensively effective. Always has been. It’s just not particularly cheap…

Ironically it shouldn’t be cheap because people should know that it’s CHEAP for an amazon to achieve glass cannon caliber offense with amplify damage as the 3rd most durable hero in the game.

If you want to play glass cannon then sacrifice with a little restriction and do the lightning javazon build with passives 1 pointed obviously.

Physical bow is a diversity build

Even plague jav + physical bow is a diversity/soloing build.

We are Lucky AF that amp damage proc for bows even made it in to the game. People just want more but there’s no way in hell they should ever give more. You would never give someone MORE who knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about APPRECIATION.

You don’t even have to have the amp damage proc for them to be effective man… Chaos clear times with no amp, no HR usage still in the ~4 minute mark.

Physical Bowazon is the opposite of diversity.

lol, if only they had you on their dev team to tell them this while they buff physical bow. The absolute insanity of it all.

What’s insane about it? I literally just timed it… times were between 3:53 and 4:22. Did 3 runs, all had at least 1 physical immune boss pack, did full clears.

Buff to the Dust so the game will Bust and Rust.

Tell me more about how Diablo 4 becomes a must.

Are you drunk? Or just avoiding the topic now?

You’re wayyy too defensively sensitive when there is absolutely no offense projected at you here.