Could we please get rid of immunes?

[Zoobeast-1945]

Just make more magic immunes for our hammerdin friends

[Anu-11792]

This is what my endgame concept creates

The PERFECT endgame solution!

Easy I wish endgame was just a bit spicier ‪We need an endgame mechanic that, games created with Baal quest completed have the remaining unactivated mobs get harder and harder the more cleared the game is. Let’s call it King of the Hell in reference to king of the hill’s last man standby mechanic Like playercount, unactivated monsters still can be modified. Meaning they can be buff up until you activate them for example: PER % cleared monsters gain +%8 life, 5% xp, +2%dmg, +1% resist(cap …

No more immunities, monsters are capped at 95. Resistances above 95 are added back as extra life

Then once you kill baal, games you create have a new mechanic.

The more monsters you kill the harder the remaining ones get

+life, +damage ,+ resistance(including magic)

[NeoRizer-1507]

Yeah “git gud” by avoiding enemies in a game where you’re supposed to kill enemies to get loot… dumb af argument. LOL

Also, some of them act as road blocks that can’t be surpassed without grouping like Hell ancients for example… get off of this b.s. already, the game’s design is flawed and stupid…

It was fine before 1.10.

[Zilliman-2511]

@ezcyberpup-1169

you can literally go completely naked and punch your way through hell mode it is very possible just takes and ungodly long time.

You are trivialising how dependent you are on gear and skills (ie character levels + gear).

@Lumpus-1803

and you have to rely on your merc to kill for you or teleport past mobs that just aren’t worth killing. I think it’s a bad dynamic for a game like this.

Yes, agreed, but the game is not a modern game, and there is a lot of unevenness, we are used to it.

@Brokett-1343

or they try to run through literally nobody is sitting there letting their merc slowly kill 100 mobs.

Correct, just S&E and try again. Why bang your head against a brick wall?

@Endz-1991

Or slower kill speed for dual spec but you can clear the game.

Not universally true, there are dual immune mobs, not one or two but dozens in an area, and they are a pain, or skip.

Even if you dual spec and sacrifice a lot of damage, even then you may walk into a room full of mobs you cannot kill, not at level 70 and not at level 99.

I personally do not mind, but I can understand why others do care.

[rod-1442]

Immunity is in the first game as well. Diverse play style is the goal.

[Zerginfestor-1443]

again, I don’t really have a problem with Dual Immunes, I think the massive problem is the affix stacking that spirals out of control because there isn’t a simple If Then statement in the code. Things like Stone Skin and Physical Immune should never apply with one another. You can have one or the other, but having both is basically just taking the entire cake. Want Stone Skin on Lightning Enchanted? Sure! Why not, makes it tougher but doable. Lightning Immune with Physical Immune? Cool! But Having it Phys Immune, Lightning Immune, Lightning Enchanted and Stone Skin? Yeah, that’s a balance problem. Certain affixes should just not combine with others, as it spits in the face of players who do have creativity in their builds to circumvent the immune on their own.

[ezcyberpup-1169]

@Zilliman-2511

You are trivialising how dependent you are on gear and skills (ie character levels + gear)

no im not you are able to walk naked though hell and kill baal but it just takes ages to do so

[leecH-2109]

my eth warpike BOTD merc would 1 hit everyone in this thread.

heheheh.

[Jhaerik-1897]

Sitting in a cell at Pasquotank Correctional.

You?

[CaptainJack-11336]

Further, it encourages co-op play, as you can team up with other people to cover your individual weaknesses.

[CleanLX-1524]

[quote=“SWarrior-2403, post:129, topic:125881”]Even Barbarians with berserk or paladins with vengeance add elemental damage as “pure” melee/physical characters
[/quote]
Melee Pally here, not a point in vengeance, still get it done with weapon/shield swap.
To your point, it’s not rocket science.

@Zerginfestor-1443

Stone Skin+ Physical Immune? Yeah that’s gotta go

As a physical melee Pally, with weapon/shield/skill swap, this isn’t a problem for me. Now, I’ve only ever played zeal based Pally, so… my reply is of a narrowed focus.

@Lumpus-1803

and you have to rely on your merc to kill for you or teleport past mobs that just aren’t worth killing. I think it’s a bad dynamic for a game like this.

Zeal based Pally, with an Act1 merc. and no teleport.
Never rely on merc, and sometimes am glad she gets wiped out so I can focus on mobs rather than keeping her alive.
Tele? For what? If you build right you can play the entire game.

@CaptainJack-11336

Further, it encourages co-op play, as you can team up with other people to cover your individual weaknesses

Winner of the thread.

[Lumpus-1803]

@CleanLX-1524

Zeal based Pally, with an Act1 merc. and no teleport.
Never rely on merc, and sometimes am glad she gets wiped out so I can focus on mobs rather than keeping her alive.
Tele? For what? If you build right you can play the entire game.

You don’t have a problem with physical immune + a second immune? At no point do you think “those mobs aren’t worth killing” and run past them? (since you say you don’t need teleport)

To me, feeling like you have to avoid mobs because they simply aren’t worth killing is a bad dynamic since it’s a game that revolves around killing mobs for loot. Of course, not being worth killing because of immunities in only one aspect of the bigger problem, but it’s the most glaring one for me.

@CleanLX-1524

Winner of the thread.

Not really. Some people don’t play with friends or have the time to set aside friend finding D2R time. Some people play off line. A lot of people simply like to solo. Classes have the ability to spec two damage lines but all that can be negated by mobs with two immunities.

Again, I just think that’s a bad dynamic for a game like this.

[MoeB-1278]

Immunes are Diablo 2’s cash cow - under the concept of “create a problem and then provide the solution” (for money).

[Oliasys-1445]

@TakeNotes-1484

y best item is a pair of 47 travs because I cannot farm anything efficiently due to lack of gear. And with most monsters being immune to lighting, well, there leaves very little to farm…pindle is the only viable option.

well, a src can be mroe than or other than lightning. Each class has 3 skill trees. I don’t know if you noticed.

oh, wait, lack of gear. So farmed none of norm or NM to get some basic gear and then trade up? You got rushed and now can’t do the job?

[Lumpus-1803]

@Oliasys-1445

well, a src can be mroe than or other than lightning. Each class has 3 skill trees. I don’t know if you noticed.

There aren’t enough skill points available to be effective in three different damage types.

@Oliasys-1445

oh, wait, lack of gear. So farmed none of norm or NM to get some basic gear and then trade up? You got rushed and now can’t do the job?

Stop with the assumptions to try and make your point. You don’t know anything about anyone here to base an argument off them.

[MoeB-1278]

Exactly, circular arguments and false assumptions don’t address the issue. Many of us who are trying to level to a point where we can max out 2 elements, but up to that point, you either have 2 weaker main dmg dealers, or you have one weaker one and one strong one.

[Zerginfestor-1443]

The double dipping of Physical+Stone Skin may not be a problem to you, but it’s still nonsensical, since it already heavily punishes a player that is already clever enough to have a counter for it just to spite said player, reducing someone who went full phys and has a tool to break phys immune to a pathetic amount of damage just because the game suddenly wanted to punished because “tough luck”, which is bad game design. While yes, you can skip leave the area to avoid the monster, it is also silly that you have to in order to progress instead of killing uniques. The game having to bar access from certain groups just because the game double dips into a certain affix to make them insufferable. Again, there’s no challenge here, it’s just a “Lock because I said so, even if you did make a build to counter”.

[CaptainJack-11336]

@Lumpus-1803

Not really. Some people don’t play with friends or have the time to set aside friend finding D2R time. Some people play off line. A lot of people simply like to solo. Classes have the ability to spec two damage lines but all that can be negated by mobs with two immunities.

Solo play is absoltuely possible and many people do it all the time. But in doing so the player accepts that the challenge can be higher, particularly if they don’t account for these facts in their decision making.

But Diablo II was designed with multiplayer in mind. There is nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything wrong with it being beneficial for the player. Diablo I was the game that launched battle.net. Diablo was always designed as a multiplayer franchise.

[CleanLX-1524]

@Zerginfestor-1443

The double dipping of Physical+Stone Skin may not be a problem to you, but it’s still nonsensical, since it already heavily punishes a player that is already clever enough to have a counter for it just to spite said player, reducing someone who went full phys and has a tool to break phys immune to a pathetic amount of damage just because the game suddenly wanted to punished because “tough luck”, which is bad game design. While yes, you can skip leave the area to avoid the monster, it is also silly that you have to in order to progress instead of killing uniques. The game having to bar access from certain groups just because the game double dips into a certain affix to make them insufferable. Again, there’s no challenge here, it’s just a “Lock because I said so, even if you did make a build to counter”

If someone builds a pure physical character then that is a mistake on the players part. The game doesn’t decide to punish, or lock-out anyone. The game is what it is, and has been for a rather long time, and it’s up to the player to solve the problem. Some don’t want to solve the problem and then want a perfectly good game changed to make it easier.
You are able to carry 2 weapons.
As a pure physical pally myself, on swap I have an Azurewrath (magic+cold)… before I was able to trade for it I had a Lightsaber (magic+lightening), before that I had a Gimmershred axe (fire+lightening), before that a Demons Arch Balrog spear (fire+lightening)… and before any of those treasures, I rocked gems in socketed swords to deal out lightening/fire… my mecr deals cold, so I didn’t see any point in doubling up there.
The Gimmershred and Demons Arch are so good I held onto them… still in my stash.

As a pure physical player, if one of your weapons doesn’t deal elemental damage, that’s a giant gap in your build IMO.
And that’s not the games problem.

[Lumpus-1803]

@CaptainJack-11336

Solo play is absoltuely possible and many people do it all the time. But in doing so the player accepts that the challenge can be higher, particularly if they don’t account for these facts in their decision making.

There is harder and there is avoiding. You don’t sit there and cast at mobs that are immune to both of the damage types you are specced in. You just avoid them… bad dynamic.

@CaptainJack-11336

But Diablo II was designed with multiplayer in mind.

Which is why mobs get harder with more people in the game. Immunities weren’t part of the original game so claiming it’s part of the design doesn’t fly.