lol so a bunch of stuff I never said, and I DID SAY I DIDN’T WANT THIS TO BE D3. So again, STOP GOING AROUND THE OBVIOUS. HOW IN THE HELL IS THE OPTION GOING TO AFFECT YOU? you will still play in regular with other regular players, If you wanted to, you could still trade with any player regardless of playstyle.
NO RAINBOWS OR OTHER BS
Look if you don’t need a handicapping system but yet requesting one for other people. Then why not actually agree to sharing the loot with others in games whether public or private. After all you are suppose to be about being fair.
You are missing the point here with cars by thinking all cars are created equal. No, they are not equal, some are lemons that would want to go to the junkyard every time they pass by. While others will run like a dream and last for decades before you need to get a new car.
Also don’t think that a car made 20 years ago that gets all of the modern bells and whistles will truly improve the older model. It might not run the way it did without them. It might not last nearly as long without them. And surely it wouldn’t be as sturdy in a collision as it was with actual metal instead of fiberglass. Also it might not drive the same either.
There is zero guarantee that it will be implemented the way you want it to be. It might turn out as not being implemented as optional. There might be a limitation with the D2 original engine that runs underneath that will prevent more than one loot distribution system. If true then you might say just change the engine. Doing that will lose the feel of the game. It just won’t feel like D2 anymore.
That limitation that I speak of might even be baked in due to the devs not wanting more than one loot distribution system.
Obviously there are more than enough people playing public games that are not having a problem with FFA. They are not here on the forums complaining about it.
I know in your mind your little system is a perfect utopia. But please take of those rose colored glasses and see what can happen if it is implemented. Also study some of the other versions of ploot before talking about your utopia as the most popular.
Loot distribution systems are core systems in a game. Changing the core system to have optional loot distribution systems if it is possible to begin with changes the experience because they know it is there. Even if it is never used by those ones that never wanted it. It also doesn’t really solve the problems. All it does is hide cheaters.
If you think that players will stop using cheating systems that will help them pick up loot faster then I need to find out what you have been drinking.
You won’t even concede to the possibilities of anything I mentioned because your confirmation bias blinds your eyes to what could be possible. No, it is not just fear of change. It is what I have seen happen in other games. Even ones that are not Blizz’s titles.
This is exactly what I am talking about. Where these plooters won’t stop till public games are designed just for them personally. Some wanting it to be like D3. Others that no doubt could chime in with them because they know that it has to potential to ruin D2R for everyone. These ones that I speak of are ones that work for other game companies. So that when the game is ruined they will tell us to go play game x, y, or z which is also who they work for.
Even though I have one offline character that I am not doing much with. I am playing mostly online with a paladin leveling spec of my own creation that is a work in progress. Still have a lot of things that I will want to try out to see just how well it will do in the long run. I will probably switch at level 75 or higher to the Smite Paladin build so I can do ubers. For the purpose of farming uber charms for the rest of my characters online.
It is a slippery slope because one thing could beget another but you don’t see it. You say it won’t because you won’t be the one doing it. And you might be right, but you don’t have to be the one doing it which is the whole point.
The word you can be used to mean either you personally or a group of people. So in this case he could be meaning you as a group.
You just don’t want to use the systems already in place to handle the issues.
You would be like a person that says in the real world sports or games to a group of cheaters. You will play by the rules and try to force them to do so. When the rest of us just won’t play with them it is really that simple.
In D2R it translates to playing private games where players share the loot in password protected games.
Only using public games for questing help, experience, along with widening out your circle of friends that you can trust will share the loot.
That is how players handle those things in D2 and even D2R now.
You are not open to any sort of agreement due to confirmation bias, I wonder when will you actually look up that word because you obviously don’t know what it means.
Look his confirmation bias won’t let him see the reality of what will likely happen if ploot is implemented. Also there is a chance that it might not necessarily be him personally that would ask for all of the other things that would bring D2R closer to being D3R just with D2’s story, class names, and monsters. If it is not him then it will likely be others. This is what he is not seeing and won’t have it any other way.
finally we can begin to converse. Yes I understand the devs could use a different system. I get that my idea may not be the end all be all. At this point there is a high probability the devs are looking for some kind of answer. (a lot of mad people over current controller/scripts situation) I don’t want this to be D3, and I do want a good answer. I invite everyone to offer a better system for them to review. (the devs) Yes, even tho I myself are not handicapped I know people who are and they are long time players, like I am who unfortunately had their arm a little messed up. I would like them (people of all walks) to be able to play evenly as well. I don’t want loot changes, rainbows as one guy said, or anything like that. Any thing past that which seems to be what you are really concerned about is totally separate, and a separate argument, it’s not that I’m “bias”.
I read that the original developers wished for a personal loot system but couldnt implement it due to technology at the time not allowing it.
The creators of this game are pro ploot even. I love d2R and Im gonna play it regardless, but I very much wish to magic find with the public stress free.
I do not have any solutions but I agree with giving keyboard and mouse users an equal method to controllers via keybind if its gonna stay FFA.
Controllers were not part of the original game, and I really feel like if the team working on d2r played and were passionate about their game, they would have seen this unfortunate issue from a mile away.
I do not want to quote everything. But I want to clarify the misrepresentation of what I said, & also ask something.
How does Ploot help cheater? You are not near the kill, you DON’T get loot drop.
Misrepresentation “Why do you not want to share the loot”
Ploot & FFA, both can share the loot. Rubbish claim.
You picked the item, you decide you do not need it, you drop so someone can take it.
The only difference is, for FFA, you can leave the loot on the ground. That is the ONE & only advantage for FFA loot. But it’s a small one compared to the problems of FFA.
Also, I DID not contradict myself.
Saying you cannot expect players to play fair in Pub game, & that players that want to share can drop their ploot for others are not mutually exclusive.
There are selfish players, & there are less selfish players in Pun games. Saying you cannot expect others to play fair is merely saying people will be nice & not loot everything shouldn’t be an expectation.
I like how people are fine with controller loot which WAS NOT part of original D2 yet people like this are against ploot. If you can allow unfair controller loot now which wasn’t supported in OG D2 then Ploot can be implemented as well.
The whole point is there is nothing needed to be fixed. Trying to make public games be the same as private games with friends where you agree to share the loot is what has been the way things are done and should remain. That is the core loot distribution system that shouldn’t be changed or added to.
Those that are angry are ones that either don’t know that there are private games that can handle the problem all on its own. Where you just don’t play with those in public games unless you can tolerate it. You either man up and tolerate it and maybe a little PvP from time to time or play private in games with friends where you have agreed to share the loot.
The trouble with plooters is that they don’t want to make such an agreement in a game with friends. They don’t want to share they want the loot for themselves. What drops for them stays for them. That is what they are talking about. If they want to share the drops they would go play private and share the loot with friends, or go solo. What do you think that players really have that much trouble playing with friends in private games with password protection? I don’t think so as long as you know the ones you have made friends with will live up to their promises.
They believe that no one can be trusted to live up to the agreement. You may not think that anyone can be trusted to live up to their promise, but that is not the case. There are no doubt still many honest hearted gamers that will keep their word.
There are no doubt plenty of games with password protection right now that are doing just fine with FFA being the only system. They work together as a true team helping each other out as needed.
What disabled players cannot play with others similar to themselves or other non disabled friends in password protected games right now. According to you they need the almighty superman ploot to the rescue because that is impossible for them to do. Well you would be wrong.
Nothing needs fixing, you are looking at what is a problem for you and others that just don’t want to avail yourselves of what is already in place to handle the problem.
Your purposed system will not cause the cheaters to stop cheating. They won’t say because of ploot I will drop what is allowing me to clear content 2 minutes faster than anyone else. What do you think that players of D3 would start called 8-10 minute GRs speed GRs? I don’t think so, players won’t just say okay I will play a GR110 at 8 minutes when I can do a GR85 in 2-3 minutes. They would stay with the GR85 at 2-3 minutes.
The most you would do is pull very few from public games and some from private games. Because your idea will not solve the problem of the cheaters.
Some of what might happen is not separate because without ploot as the starter those other things couldn’t possibly happen.
Again you don’t need to fix anything because nothing is really broken. Other than players not truly wanting to play according to how the game is designed.
I wanted to save what you agreed with for last. When I said you might be right, I am sure you know I wasn’t talking about your idea of ploot. No, I was talking that you might be right about not wanting anything other than ploot. But still that doesn’t guarantee that others wouldn’t come in and ask for more. Such as the removal of FFA making Ploot the new loot distribution system. Where it would be only ploot. Doing that would definitely ruin D2R forever. Even if the devs done that or came close the damage would already be done. You would have enough players that would be fed up with Blizz that they wouldn’t play Diablo games and might not buy D4. It would also hurt VV’s reputation as one that makes good remasters that are faithful to the original with some QoL love.
If you bothered to look up confirmation bias you will have learned what it means.
Link for the quote below.
Confirmation bias, the tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with one’s existing beliefs. This biased approach to decision making is largely unintentional and often results in ignoring inconsistent information. Existing beliefs can include one’s expectations in a given situation and predictions about a particular outcome. People are especially likely to process information to support their own beliefs when the issue is highly important or self-relevant.
https://www.britannica.com/science/confirmation-bias
Without links I won’t believe it.
Below is a link to an article that says they want to make an authentic remaster of people’s childhood. You cannot do that when you have two loot distribution systems when only one was in the original.
No, don’t go on the idea of since we have had changes that the rest has to change as well. With that kind of thinking others could say okay then D2R will become D3R. Where the only thing worthy of keeping is the story, names of the classes and the monsters. Here is the link from PC games website.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/diablo-2-resurrected/fix-diablo-2
Besides if it is a limitation due to technology you still have the problem that the original engine is running underneath. Don’t think that means since technology exist to make it happen it will be easy to do. That all depends on how the loot distribution system is programmed.
If it is indeed such a huge issue, why hasn’t any modders for the original D2 made ploot the only loot distribution system or at least added ploot in their mod. I don’t know of any that has done that.
It helps because it hides them. Unless you think that all because of the almighty superman ploot that those that cheat using scripts that help them pickup loot faster than anyone else will stop using it. A script that helps them pick up loot in solo games that allows them to do runes faster than anyone else.
Saying that is true would be the same as saying all of a sudden players of D3 will call 10 minute GRs speed GRs. When we know that isn’t gonna happen.
Oh so you say that no one has ever shared loot with others. No person that has ever played the original D2 is honest, this not only includes me but you as well. Do you really want to go that route.
Look we know that in public games there are no doubt those that don’t mind helping others if they can. So they will give loot to you just because they want to. The limited time I have played D2 original online taught me that. I played in a few games, very low level and had an player just give me loot in the trade window without ever needing me to give anything in return.
Mind explaining what Pun games are.
Ploot won’t stop players from using controllers nor scripts to help them pick up loot faster. It will just hide the script users. Also getting this idea of all or nothing fallacy isn’t a good idea either.
Remaster is a term that originated in music. So that means that in order to be authentic to people’s childhood there are core features and mechanics that cannot nor should be removed or changed. And loot distribution system is one of them. It shouldn’t be removed or added to it.
I NEVER made such claim. When did I ever said no one even shared loot with others? I also never said no one has even play D2 is honest. NEVER!!! STOP misrepresent me.
Pun is mispell for Pub->Public
So you only played a few games? I have played many D2 pub games, as well as many FFA/PLoot MP games. Thats why I know PLoot is much better.
Again, I NEVER said people do not give loot., PLoot does not restrict people from giving loot. What part of that do you not understand? What Plot does is prevent someone stealing all the loot.
If you ever play D3, you know people dropping loot in town is the norm in D3 pub games.
Let me iterate again. There are nice & bad people in Pub game.
Ploot prevent someone stealing all the loot but do not prevent good people from sharing loot. best of both world.
Your whole agrument is sharing loot. Ploot do not prevent loot sharing. SO explain why you against it anyway, as an option. Note an option. You can play FFA & battle for loot if you wish so.
Well thats easy to answer. The opportunity for more loot would come with the gamble. With ploot you’d get 1 random piece or nothing at all for example. But if you chose ffa you could theoretically get 3 or 4 pieces if you’re fast enough. There’s your incentive.
At cost of someone NOT getting these. If you like that by all means, but do you get that many people do not.
A good reason to have a choice and a game filter.
Yes, choice is good. people that like to battle for loot can play FFA. People who do not can choose Ploot. WIN/WIN.
It doesn’t affect the “core” of the game, since the loot remain same. What I cannot stand are people that are against Ploot AS AN OPTION.
If they do not like something, others can’t have them as well, EVEN if it do not affect them.
Almost everyone for Ploot are okay with it as an option ( a checkbox or something). If people demand Ploot ONLY, then, people for FFA have a case, that that is not the case,
As others have said, an optional ploot system would further split an already small and divided playerbase. Furthermore, its against the original spirit of the game. Why not just make friends and make private games where you can all sit around at the round table, and democratically vote how to equitably distribute and proportion the loot so as not to offend anyone’s feelings? Why make ploot mandatory for all players? That’s such an authoritarian solution.
how? most people who would be playing personal loot games play private games now so they already aren’t with the toxic FFA only community hell bent to take the cooperation out of the game.
the loot distribution system had nothing to do with the spirit of the game the heads of blizzard north have clearly stated they used ffa loot because the didn’t know of personal/instanced loot as a concept at the time.
too much wrong with this to be able to break this down for you but simply put this would not work in the same unbiased way as an automatic built in system.
yeah it wouldn’t be, something you clearly understand based on your first sentence but some how forgot for this one.
Actually denying something to the masses because it doesn’t directly benefit you and would give people freedom to enjoy themselves is the real authoritarian solution. Much like what you and the other FFA loot only crowd are doing.
Its hardly a small playerbase. Come on.
Also, you do know, with Ploot, you can still decide how to distribute loot. The whole point of sharing loot is a moot point as both FFA & Ploot allow group to do so.
Also, do not put words & misrepresent. Its not about feelings.
Also the “authoritarian solution” is nonsence. What part of optional do you not get? If you want FFA, then play FFA pub games.
In fact wanting ONLY FFA without choice of Ploot or FFA is authoritarian. The irony.
To be fair, this kind of looting system has been fine in the past. Gaming keyboard and mice weren’t really a thing nor were macros and autohotkey. Whether they play on controller or kb+mouse is irrelevant. It no longer is fair game and it encourages others to employ the same shady tactics. I’m all for having loot options like in PoE so I can actually decide if I want to pick up an item instead of mass clicking everything and cluttering my inventory.
so another huge post that first off, refuses to even admit there is a problem right now, which there is, for A lot of people. Secondly, once again you offer no solutions at all, like not even a half hearted attempt at one. It’s been well established that there is a large part of the community that is unhappy. It isn’t like they are too dumb to figure out how to do a private game, the whole point is they shouldn’t have to be anti social in a online game. All players should have the opportunity to play in a 8 person game and get a chance at loot. if they choose that option. Your weak yes I said weak counter argument your group keeps using is “well just group with friends” hey newsflash: not everyone is a 20 hour a day diablo gamer, we have lives and families. The optional system I have presented answers the problem. You weakly try time and again to word salad some excuse as to why the game should stay as it is, as you continue to be beaten by the reasoning of my argument.
more salt in this thread than the entire ocean…
look, I will be honest. I am so past being nice to you “purists” that are A**holes every chance you get. For a very long time I was totally PC and nice to each and every one. Then I realized, no lets play by their rules, so now I will no longer hold back and will in essence “digitally be like bully beatdown” and give you all big taste of it while you continue to look dumb with no good counter arguments as to why a optional loot system wouldn’t improve a whole range of problems.
spending too much time on these forums makes me feel bad. There is a lot of negativity to be soaked up here, so pls be careful excala1.
I am not telling you to do anything, but maybe take a day off from this cesspool and regain your sanity some.
I notice that me personally I get almost depressed trying to have rational chats here. Its easy to be a little hooked on forums but at the end of the day your well being take priority!
