Guys, how about you just wait a little while longer and you can ruin D4 with ploot so it flops hard.
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This is both just sad and hilarious (and false) as an excuse to avoid implementing ploot.
Defining characteristics? lol. Just ask yourself this: If D2 implemented personal loot and got rid of FFA loot altogether, would you stop playing the game? If your answer is ânoâ, then this sorry excuse of an argument is invalid and youâre simply being intellectually dishonest.
So D3 is an âabominationâ and âdisgraceâ specifically because of personal loot? lmao. Your desperation and mindless hyperbole are duly noted.
Because the game can be even better? Youâre just merely stating that FFA is a âdefining characteristicâ of the game, but have offered zero proof in this regard.
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Just let d2 be d2. yeah you can have QoL stuff, [/quote]
You mean QoL stuff such as an optional personal loot feature that people can opt into?
Once again, youâve only merely stated that FFA is a âdefining characteristicâ of the game, but have not bothered to explain at all how or why that is. Once again, if you would continue to play the game were ploot to be implemented, then this âdefining characteristicâ bs is an outright lie that even you yourself donât believe.
Like I told that other person a while back, your only âargumentâ in favor of FFA is just tradition for the sake of tradition, which is a bad argument.
If youâre afraid of change, then just say so. But letâs stop making weak excuses in the process.
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âThe problem is PC users playing with a controller.â is literally the next sentence. Did you really not see that? I only wrote two sentencesâŚlol
They should just disable controller support for PC.
Who in there right mind would play D2 with a controller anyways if they are on a PC? The only reason would be if there is some kind of exploitâŚ
Why should I have to, the game is already how I like it lol Iâm not clamoring for any changes. You are. Iâm fine with the game, youâre not. Play it or donât.
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if all those other arpgs got the qol stuff you guys are craving for? why not play those instead of trying to ruin a remake of a 20 yo classic that was still going after all this time?
People that enjoy it like it is, cant just switch.
They promised a truthfull remaster.
they delivered.
you dont like it? its not for you.
Then have it be a roll system instead. Highest roll wins since being the first to click is just as random as a rolling a dice.
If not, the no changes crowd can just deal with it unless they want a solution that is fair for all and not advantage for thee.
why not allow an option toggable so you can play your way and me my way
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It isnât gonna do any good if the plooters are not listening and agreeing to the possibility of negative outcomes if it is implemented. It is like saying here we have the perfect loot distribution system that is an option and it solves all of the problems of FFA without any problems of its own.
Plooterâs confirmation bias, please google that in order to learn what it means, will not let them see the dangers that ploot could bring. Some that donât have confirmation bias might be doing it just to ruin D2R for those that donât want it as an option.
They cannot see how it could evolve into something that they never wanted it to be.
They donât even want to acknowledge the fact that there is no mod of the original D2:LOD that has ploot in their multiplayer server. If it is so great then why donât they have it?
They donât even want to admit that it could wind up being implemented in a way that they donât want it to be implemented.
I think some that do want it, want it to ruin D2R. Where it will be a game for us D2 fans that have gotten some good QoL changes for a while. Then if the plooters have it their way it will morph into what they want. So D2R could in time become another cash grab by Blizz.
I just hope that doesnât happen and this time VV/Blizz keep their word as far as holding true to how D2R plays by never adding ploot or anything else that really isnât needed. Unless it is a quality of life improvement then it should be a big no from VV/Blizz. Or even one like me might think twice before buying D4. Due to wondering what will it turn into by the time of the first expansion.
Is it possible that what you want implemented could be implemented in a way that you donât want it to be implemented? Or worse, could it evolved into what you donât want it to be if is implemented. I have seen things like this happen to other games, not just Blizzâs titles.
Does HC have to change in order to get you to play it. Where perma death is changed where the HC character dies it is instantly converted to a softcore character, much like PoE does their HC character deaths. It still has the same effect of removing gear from the HC economy. Putting it under the umbrella of options. Just because you might not like perma death. Or maybe champion it for those that donât like perma death.
What you are saying then would be true even if all 8 players donât receive loot when loot drops right? Which is saying even without the increase to amount of loot that drops this will still happen right?
You are looking for a solution to a problem that really isnât a problem. Even modders that have made mods for the original D2:LOD have never included ploot in their multiplayer servers. If it is so inferior then why havenât they included it.
It is simple no solution is needed. Tell me do you try to force others to change the way that they are so you can play with them. Do you try to force jerks to changes so you will be able to play with them. Do you try to change cheaters by forcing them to be honest so you can play side by side with them. No, instead the solution is not to play with such ones. This is the way it has been and should remain that way.
I have seen many threads an posts in the D3âs older forums of players that said they wold play Blizz money to help them buy servers that would be for the botters. So they can have their own servers and their own leader boards. Even though I know this will never happen. It shows that the solution is not to play with those players.
The same is true if you cannot tolerate those that will pick up gear faster than you can. Gear that never really dropped for your character personally. If you cannot tolerate PvPâing from time to time then public games are not for you. That game mode shouldnât be changed even by adding an option or even plenty of options.
So it is the all or nothing fallacy that says since there have been some changes. Then everything in D2R must change. Where maybe the only thing that is kept is the story, class names, and monsters. I do believe that if the core of the game changes even in the smallest of way it will have more of an impact than you think. Causing more harm than good. But your confirmation bias doesnât see it. Then if such a thing did happen you might do a 180, but at that point it might be too late due to the damage already having been done.
What do you try to force others to play fair and honest in other games or sports in the real world. No, instead we separate ourselves from them. Only playing with those that will play fair. Similar to playing alone or with friends in private password protected games.
So just because it is 20 years old means the entire game has to change to be what it would be if it was designed by VV/Blizz. Or maybe if it was designed by Jay Wilson and company instead of VV right.
I wouldnât be too sure about that one. More so if it is implemented in a way that you and others donât want it to be implement. Or it can always evolve into what you donât want it to be.
What excala1 is saying that loot is distributed based on each personâs contribution. So leecher that does nothing wonât get anything at all.
They are not wanting it for leeching, at least I can understand that and agree with them on that point. My problems with ploot are entirely different and they donât want to concede the possibility.
I say that FFA loot only should stay with D2R. Either they learn to tolerate it with some PvPâing from time to time. Where they can get help with any quest that they are having difficulty with along with the boost to experience. Then they can also use it to talk to others to see if they can make friends where they would agree to share the loot with them in private password protected games. Or play solo, but that is not for them at all.
They donât want to do that at all. They want that loot for themselves only. Where they never have to share at all. Some want solo players to feel punished for not playing multiplayer.
I donât care if it is not an option or it doesnât change the drop rates. It existence is the problem, even if you get it exactly as you want it. There is no guarantee it wonât change into what you donât want. Or worse where it is implemented in a manner you donât want.
The car analogy is not a good one there have been many cars that can last for many decades without being turned into the latest models and still be just fine. My father has told me of this.
I am sure that there are many ploot systems where the items donât become soul bound (BoA), Path of Exile comes to mind.
Trouble of it is you donât want to do it amongst yourselves. You donât want to play with other players where you agree to share the loot. Ploot is not about sharing or agreeing to share which is what you can do right now.
Agreed, it might even be okay to see if you can make some friends while playing public games that would be willing to help you out in quests and would agree to share the loot. Kind of alike a place to widen out your circle of friends.
Look they donât want to share or play alone. They want to be shoehorned into public games with what they think will always be an option that couldnât possible evolve into some that they donât want. Or worse they donât think that it could be implemented any other way.
Rob also Tweeted that it isnât happening. So just donât look at that one tweet alone.
Have you actually seen other versions asked for by other players in other threads on the forums. Not only here on the forums but also in all other social media sites that D2R has a presence. In order to know what truly is the most wanted of all of the versions that is what you would have to do or be able to have a website that could conduct a poll to find out the most popular version.
The reason why this is the case is because the devs just donât listen to us on the forums. They go outside of the box to other social sites that D2R has a presence on.
This idea of skill at arguing is a strawman that you can let rest. It is the evidence that he gives is what is important.
I realize that you need a handicapping system that will help you get loot. More like the disabled in sporting events still need to compete along with the non disabled. Even though there are more than enough disabled only sporting events for them to play in.
How can you be sure it is only one person getting all of the loot. There is no way that I could be sure that is happening. Unless there is only one person standing by the loot all of the time and it is the same person.
Nice strawman that is still not a good enough reason for it to be added. It only hides those that would cheat and you donât need to help cheaters hide what they are doing.
What is it too hard to share with others. You donât want to share with others right. You just want a handicapping system that is shoehorned into the game. Just because you cannot bring yourself to play solo for loot or play with those that have agreed to share the loot.
First you believe that no one is honest enough to live up to their promise to share. Then you next say this
Contradicting yourself with this statement.
So just because it is an option that makes change okay. I guess if VV/Blizz made all kinds of changes to D2R even some you wouldnât want as long as there is an extra checkbox that makes it okay right. Where there could be hundreds of check boxes to check off just to make a game.
I hope that does turn out to be true, time will tell though. If ploot becomes like the issue of giving the PC version of D3 offline mode has been then I wonât be worried.
Correct let D2 be D2, instead of trying to make it something that it isnât.
You know a strawman can be used to counter another one. What plooters really want is for ploot to be the only loot distribution system. The most popular version is the one that wants all 8 players to get loot when loot drops.
We know that one person doesnât mean much. Why not start a thread not only in the forums but also in all other social websites where D2R has a presence and ask that same question I am sure you will get a most interesting response. Might even be fascinating by Mr. Spock of Star Treks terms.
The same can be said for any beloved games that you want to be remastered. That was done decades ago due to tradition so it must change. That remaster has to actually be created as if the game was made in the time period of the remaster. Thus actually making it a remake or reboot that very few to no one would like.
How do you know what I want? Ploot will be better in any possible implementaion, cause it is at least a distribution system for loot, that couldnât really be said for FFA as it seems that it more like the absense of any distribution system than one of them.
HC has nothing to do with ploot, it is just a challenging mode in the game, I donât care if your characters just gets deleted after death or moved to softcore as long as it is registered somewhere that moment of your end on HC just for the sake of the challenge. The achievement wonât be disregarded in any way since if you e.g. went after Hell not dying even once and dead on 90 lvl, you still did it.
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I couldnât help but notice how you missed THE ENTIRE POINT. In a game its not a sport, in a digital medium we can easily make it so people can all play evenly. I personally donât need a âhandicapâ as you have said. As I have stated Iâm fighting for other people. The optional system I have outlined, DOES IN FACT FIX ALL PROBLEMS. Nobody has proved otherwise. Literally EVERY SINGLE HATER HAS BEEN PROVEN WRONG. YOU AS WELL.
As to my car comment, YOU ONCE AGAIN MISSED THE ENTIRE POINT, a 20 YEAR OLD CAR COULD BENEFIT FROM A BETTER SPARK PLUG OR BETTER AIR FILTER FOR EXAMPLE, AND IN NO WAY IS IT NOW A DIFFERENT CAR. It is the same car now âimprovedâ with modern day advances. It still drives the same but may now have BETTER PERFORMANCE, or braking or whatever new improvement while keeping the car the same.
As you TIME AND AGAIN NEVER ACCEPT OR REALISE, the OPTIONAL system will not break the game, change drops or in anyway affect players that already enjoy the game. IT WOULD MAKE IT EVEN MORE ENJOYABLE TO PEOPLE IN PUBLIC GAMES THAT CURRENTLY STAY AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE OF LOOT OR OTHER REASONS .
So, please once again make a huge post that proves nothing and doesnât address what is being helped/fixed with this optional system I have put forth.
No ploot. Its against the spirit of the game.
No. You have to play it as its meant to be played.
Here is the complete optional system I have outlined, Now ANYONE TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER. Iâm done being nice about it to so many venomous people. NONE OF YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA. Explain how this optional system would break or ruin your experience.
the better idea is to leave things as they are. An optional ploot system will ruin my experience because it will split an already small playerbase into two smaller ones. the people who want ploot should just go play d3.
Also there is the slippery slope to consider. If this is changed, then you are gonna start demanding that pking is removed too. It will never end. The end result will be that d2r is just d3
lol so you donât have a better idea. AS I pointed out you would still play exactly the same as you already are. So unless you have a better system, which you donât. Because the current system, a lot of players are discouraged from online play.
NO Slope on a optional system that FIXES ALL PROBLEMS.
If you donât have a problem with how it is then play regularly, If you do have a problem, play the new optional way. With no change to drops and still being able to trade with people on either side, there is no downside
I do have a better idea. Leave the game formula of one of the most successful video games of all time intact. Why do you want to destroy D2? Admit it once ploot is added, you are gonna demand no pvp or pking. Can you just leave an outline of all your plans to make D2 into D3 here and now and spare us all the trouble?
the FORMULA IS STILL THERE⌠READ THE POST. No one is destroying anything. The way you already play would still be there IN ITS ENTIRITY. there would literally be 1 check box on screens you already use to join or make a game. No one is changing anything about PKing so drop wherever you are going with that. I donât want to make this D3. The system outlined here is WAYYY Better.
First it will be ploot. Then no pking. After that you will be demanding the color palette is more vibrant and less dark. Finally youâll be demanding deckard cain dies to a purple fairy lady. I see right through you, buddy.