Sira (or whomstever the warden is, i confuse all of them but maiev) is far more than “”“three quests”“”
Don’t lie.
Cordana.
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Danke schon.
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Neither.
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There’s also a Druid of the Talon barrow den in Lunarfall, so there was probably some cut Night Elf content that didn’t make it in.
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I’ll definitely play the villain faction if playing the “good” faction means I have to suffer a writing similar to that of the Saurfang/Baine BfA arc. However I’d rather not play the villain faction because I’m not interested in doing so and I never signed up for that. Do you see the crux of the matter here ?
You’re talking about morals when I’m talking about enjoying fictional content. I sided with Sylvanas because she and Nathanos are much better characters than Baine and BfA Saurfang and they made me want to side with them. Sylvanas is an OG Horde character, she’s charismatic, her voice actress is legendary and she has razor-sharp dialogue lines. Saurfang is a character that’s been sacrificed on the altar of Afrasiabi’s premeditated demolition of the narrative, and Baine is a failure from start to finish. When the Derek Proudmoore nonsense kicked in, I knew I’d pick the route in which I don’t have to interact with them.
I’m paying a monthly sub to spend a good time playing the game. Sylvanas’ actions in BFA are beyond horrible but she cool and so I side with her because I want to enjoy the game. I’m not moralizing most of the stuff I do in WoW, and clearly none of us do, or else we’d cry a sea of guilty tears over the thousands of humanoid mobs we murdered. Which is why I’m 100% fine with siding with Sylvanas.
Now if you want to talk from a in-universe perspective, then that’s another matter
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It’s actually weird that such conversations never happened. What’s even weirder is the storytelling of WoW Classic. Orcs start out by fighting Kul Tiras Humans, who were not part of the Alliance at that time. But the game tells them to hate Stormwind Humans for things the Lordaeronians did. The Forsaken defend against religious fanatics and the Scourge, first and foremost (a Lordaeron civil war, so to speak). The game tells them to hate Stormwind Humans.
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No, that is not what I am talking about.
I am saying that you have a gross misunderstanding of what the Horde is. You have read their own perspectives of themselves, and took it at face value, ignoring the long pre-established truth of the matter.
That the Horde they claim to be was never possible. That Thrall’s goal of rekindling the shamanistic culture was too weak a flame next to the fel green bonfire that was the Horde War machine and conquest culture that came the with very founding of the Horde on Draenor.
Through the genocide of the Draenei, then the human, through a war of global conquest to the destruction of their own world. Through defeat and the burning resentment toward the Alliance for it.
We see the first relapse in Warcraft three with Grom and the Warsong Clan. We see it again in Vanilla WoW with the Horde still struggling with Demonic influence of the Burning Blade, and the Crimson Ring slave trade. We see it in Wrath with the hot headed Garrosh, who Thrall and Saurfang were unable to teach and properly Groom for leadership. We see it in Cata and Mop, not just in Garrosh, but just how many of the Horde side with him. We see it in WoD, that it wasn’t just Demonic power, but ANY power will do. Be it Fel or Tech, the Orcs will use to industrialize their war machine and use it for conquest. Then finally, BFA, we don’t just see the Horde burning a city full of innocents to the ground, but we see them pillaging and slaughtering all along the way. As a Horde player you even have the option to participate in the slaughter of innocents.
The Horde that you want has never existed. And we both know that you sided with Sylvanas because you relished in the opportunity to conquer Alliance lands and leave a Capital city a smoking crater and you hate Saurfang because his entire arch points out that you were wrong for feeling that way.
Despite Saurfang’s story being completely in-line for the character. The Burning of Teldrassil was a callback to Wrath and his story to Garrosh. Sylvanas is no way better written, at least not post-Cata. Her dialogue is cringy, her motivations don’t make any sense. And her entire arch post BFA completely goes against everything she stood for.
I didn’t like the Saurfang story either, but I am not delusional enough to think that it is somehow WORSE than what they did to Sylvanas.
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My understanding of what the Horde is is the right one since it’s the official one, so no, it is not their perspectives of themselves, it is the writers’ take on what the Horde identity is, as demonstrated by the quotes I posted above ; and the fact that this take doesn’t align with what we’re shown in the narratives is precisely what I’m denouncing, so what even is your point ?
I don’t care how many genocides and tyrants you name in an effort to convince me that the Horde is evil at its core. Your point falls flat since the core of the New Horde always stood against those tyrants. Only a portion of Orcs (the Kor’kron, and part of the Durotar, MU Mag’har and Dragonmaw) and Goblins sided with Garrosh. Similarly, nearly every Horde nation sided against Sylvanas in BfA, and the minority that did side with her eventually chose to open the gates of Orgrimmar and prevent a bloodshed.
I guess it is, if you completely ignore A Good War in which Saurfang wholeheartedly agrees with Sylvanas’s big brain plan of launching an unprovoked preemptive attack on the Kaldorei in order to prevent a war that had not shown any sign of happening yet. Bruh.
Yes, I am a terrible person as well as a n@zi apologist. I stand exposed, congratulations.
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Well that just comes down to opinion.
Saurfang’s dialogue gave me d-chills. Especially when he is in jail talking to Anduin. He was all over the place having emotional break downs.
Until Anduin tells hin to gather himself…
Sylvanas made me laugh a few times. Not Saurfang - well, maybe I laughed at him, like when he got blowed up by a purply puff at the end.
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Really? That cringy dialogue made you stand in awe?
I meant “d-chills”. Not like “the chills” .
I am older. Cringe is sort of what the kids say these days, we used to say d-chills. Sort of the same. But I cant bring my self to use cringe in that way. Feels wrong.
The way people use it these days is sort of like an adjective or a noun, but it is a verb.
Ah ok. Anyway, to me Shadowlands felt like a contrived story to explain why Saurfang was right and the conflict about resources wasn’t actually about resources, but about metaphysical morals. Now that I think about it, that’s a funny inversion of real world conflicts. Good job, Blizzard.
I guess using outdated lingo can cause confusion. And I need to get with the times to communicate.
But that was my point. In the vernacular… Saurfang was very cringe, from A Good War to when he gets poofed by the purply poof - but especially in that jail scene.
Sylvanas may have been evil but at least she had a few funny moments.
Like during the War if Thorns, when she tells the Horde not to charge, and they charge anyway, and they all die - she is like : “dag nabbit!”
Or the stuff she says in the throne room.
Basically, saying “Saurfang had better dialogue than Sylvanas” depends on what you find better. I always enjoy a little humor more than a lecture.
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You don’t know ish about the Horde.
Or Horde players.
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That’s obvious by her responses on why most of us picked the horde.
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Yes. And I would do it again if Blizzard gave us the chance. I relish the idea that the alliance gets fully subjugated and they lose the war. I hope the day comes when the Alliance finally falls and their lands get distributed between the various Horde races.
Edith: I am glad Saurfang is dead. Now he can’t tell the Horde any longer that we are wrong for wanting to hit the alliance where it hurts. Nothing has damaged the Horde story more then our own leaders trying to tell us that we are wrong for trying to defeat our sworn enemy. A crap story like this would never happen in SWTOR or ESO. There the leaders are actually committed to defeating the enemy faction no matter the cost. We need less geneva convention and more war crimes.
Okay. The original question implied that Night Elves literally had a focus every single expansion. I don’t think a single short questline about a single Warden and some “cut content” counts as a focus personally. It’s such a low bar every race meets it in most expansions and I still don’t understand what it has to do with anything and what point it is making.
DON’T.
LIE.
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