Want to join a pug raid?
“LFM 25m Naxx. 3800+ GS. Link achiev”
Want to join a guild?
“We’re going to need you to fill out this application for us. It’s standard operating procedure. We just want to know your raiding history, what classes/roles you’re planning on playing, what professions you have, if you’re willing to reroll your class/professions if asked, your raiding spec and glyphs, why you want to join our guild, and where you see yourself in 5 years. Please include a link to your parses in your application. We expect 95% raid attendance and at least 24 hours notice if you’re going to be absent for a raid. If your application is accepted you will be given the rank of trial raider and placed on the bench for an indefinite period until a decision has been made by guild leadership regarding your status”
Want to do arena?
“Multi R1 1200cr player looking for arena partners to push to glad. Meta comps only. Pst resil, xp, and cr”
I get that endgame content requires a group of competent people who communicate and work well together in order to actually down a boss or win in pvp. But the requirements the players impose on themselves can be ridiculous. Pugs want people who overgear content but gear doesn’t matter if you can’t stay out of voidzones on KT. The recruitment process for a lot of guilds is eerily similar to how corporations hire new employees. And nobody seems to do arenas just for fun and are unwilling to try anything that isn’t ‘THE META’.
This isn’t anything new, I guess I’m just at a point where I’m over it.
In my guild managing days, we asked recruits to apply.
I’ve filled out applications for guilds myself.
I am also over it…so I don’t do it.
But I don’t see why the system needs to be scrubbed just because I’m over it.
Live and let live.
You’ve always had to fill out applications for guilds… it’s just a thing people do. I remember doing this way back in OG Vanilla, even when wanting an invite to a guild I had been associated with for almost a year. For the most part, people do this as a formality I guess.
The GS and achieve requirements came with WotLK (in the original game) though. I mean, people always want a safe bet for groups so knowing you have gear and have killed the content before is just a way to assure it, but WotLK gave people a way to formalize it. It continues to this day in retail. A lot of people want rating you would only get by doing much higher dungeons to do mid-level M+.
It’s really silly but the “solution” (if you can even call it that) has always been the same. Make your own groups, invite who you like. Same applies to the guild. Make your own, have whatever application process you like. If it makes you feel better, while there are a lot of folks going full tryhard in WoW, there are also a lot of folks who just want to casually approach content and have fun, yet are also fully capable of clearing the content. You just gotta go find them.
My guild in the original Wrath had a full app process. If you filled it out sloppily where it showed no effort put in you got denied. We had the trial period. You needed logs too, provided by you and included as an attachment.
This was the standard for guilds back then. Nothing has changed.
These days my guild doesn’t even have the app we just look at their very easy-to-access logs and talk to people to make sure they’d be a good fit.
As for the gearscore and pugs, 3800 isn’t hard to get to but either way they could do that or just gear inspect and look at peoples logs that are now freely available so what would you prefer? I think the latter is better anyway.
Edit: Yes as others said if you don’t like what you see then set up pug raids without really looking at anything beyond who can tank/heal/dps, find arena partners yourself and even run your own guild.
There are many many pugs that don’t require that, and there are more guilds atm willing to take newer players to fill rosters. Assuming you’re first toon is going to be Shaman, a very very in demand class atm, you could enter 25m naxx with limited prebis and still be fine.
I have been over that type of gameplay for years. I have a irl friend I play arena with and we are very chill and casual about it and my guild is pretty cool they just want you to be on time and participate which I really like.
You are complaining about the elitist minority as if all players are like that. The reality is that all are not. In fact, most are not. You don’t need to play with that awful crowd. I did tons of pug raids in crusade which didn’t require squat to join. I don’t fill out “applications” to join a guild either. They typically just make sure you’re not in greens, can show up for the raids, then bring you in. With arena, I just ran with whoever wanted to queue up that week for points. We often had greens, tank builds, the worst teams imaginable. Didn’t stop us from getting points every week.
“This isn’t anything new, I guess I’m just at a point where I’m over it.”
-If this were true then you wouldn’t have made the thread complaining about it.
You’re right. Some of us also don’t care to have a 9 minute Kel’thuzad fight or a 4 hour Naxx clear. We don’t care to sit around for 30 minutes wondering of you are going to be late again.
Everyone plays the game for a reason. Some reasons are different than others. The application process is there to see if your reason is the same as the guilds reason.
You are an example of the very reason the application process exists.
This. And also to not care what meta-roaches think about you, your gear, your parses, w/e. Its not enough to quit meta, you have to quit the thinking that led to joining the meta.
That’s why I love pugs for the most part! Though that’s live experience; About to get my hunter to 80 and I’m going to try heroics to get all the Pre-Raid gear for NAXX! It’s exciting, though I hope i’m ready! Won’t be joining a guild because I’m… more or less… I play the game in spurts, and wouldn’t want to let the guild down by not being there.
you think guilds don’t want to know this stuff? You can either sit in discord and be interviewed or you can fill out an app at your leisure… Or you can just be unguilded and flagged as a bot everywhere you go
