You refuse to listen to your community (about twinks)

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The interesting thing that Blizzard has decided to leave out of the 111-119 bracket was Epic BOEs. This would be the first time that Blizzard has not left the option for easy ilvl / stat boosting by means of Epic BOE.
Every geared 111-119 will be doing so by means of in game activity, in order to obtain BOP items.
Blizzard buffed “Twinking” within the 111-119 bracket for active players to have the best possible options. The removal of any BOE boosted Epics has guaranteed that only active characters will reach higher levels of power.

The best characters within the 111-119 bracket have obtained gear from the exact same places you could and should be doing. Activity!

Would obtainable Epic BOE items for the 111-119 help the gear disparity? or make it worse?
Food for thought.

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Dont push your opinion on this when you dont know the stats as Impalle clearly stated on his post to Greyhide.

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Twinks aren’t going anywhere.

There’s nothing else to say.

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Sun speaks the truth, that truth stems from knowledge.

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Again (at least for AV), you are simply wrong.

You think I got over 100 killing blows and topped the kill charts as the lowest level in the bracket? Really?

AV might be different, but I assure you that the bracket ran from 61-70 when I was obliterating it on my twink.

Here ya go, patch 3.2.2 from 2009:
“Level 80 characters now have their own bracket and there is a separate bracket for characters that are levels 70 to 79. The level of the bosses in the brackets below level 80 will be reduced to compensate.”

Before that, it was 61-70 and 71-80 for Alterac Valley.
wowwiki.wikia. com/wiki/Alterac_Valley

I would have been in BC end game PVP epics because I had not leveled my Pally yet. I did it with most of my other toons too, but he was the most broken because of being able to heal myself so well. The shadow priest was a monster too.

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noone plays epic bgs below 120. nice try, troll.

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I don’t believe we’re on equal footing.

I think the people complaining are casual players that simply don’t understand what’s required to compete in PvP. Aggression, dynamism, creativity.

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Hey if you twinks found a fun way to play a game - good for you. But please be honest about it. There is no “aggression, dynamism, creativity” or that “gearing at max level sucks” etc. You just like to stomp noobs. You suck at pvp on equal footing. The only way you can win is to outgear the hell out of your competitors. And there is nothing wrong with that. But if you expect for levelers to obtain gear every bracket just to be competitive with you, you are delusional. Because leveler will be out of the bracket after what? 6-8 hours? Perhaps even less. So yeah. I do not twink nor do low lvl BGs but people say that when queues were separate the wait times for xp-off crowd were very big. So there are not so many of you. And you do not want “equal competitive environment”.
And to the whiners - deal with it dunno. Go do quests or dungeons. Questing is very fun and immersive if you bother to get familiar with the story. Twinks have as much right to stomp noobs as you have to queue BGs.

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wouldn’t it be better if xp off got their own bracket? the community would be closer than ever without those pesky low geared players to interfere.

this is the way to go if you truly twink for the community.

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Correct. I just don’t understand why they complain so much about casuals yet get so angry when you suggest just removing them from their BGs and giving them their own queue. It sounds like a nice poka-yoke.

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no better feeling than finding another twink amongst the nubs

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:rofl::rofl::rofl: The things twinks say of themselves.

Yes, believe it or not, there are casual players at level 19. Many would argue that level 19 is for them. Not many hardcore level 19s topping DPS meters in wailing caverns over and over.

There are probably some casuals in the 29 bracket too but they totally just need to get more (pulls card from deck) violent, (pulls another card) ingenious, and uh (pulls third card) colorful.

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There are different level of twinks. 110s are so stupidly overpowered it’s laughable.

Feels like bonus armor twinking all over again.

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  • Greek Community Q&A with Ion Hazzikostas
    “BFA made a one time rework of every creature, item, and ability in the game from 2004-2018, converting them to a system which allows allows us to just say “we can nerf these by 30%” under the hood, change one number and the rest of the game will just work.”

With these options being solidified we are sure to see Blizzard make use of the BFA system. The 110, 111-119 brackets seem quite complicated due to Azerite traits and the actual merging of expansions.
As for 10-109 things are looking pretty good in terms of balance and attention. 8.1 has brought forward some fixes/nerfs which solely affect the lower brackets, which continues to demonstrate Blizzard is aware.
A flat out Buff to all low end characters within the brackets would definitely go over well with everyone, this would alleviate some issues imo.

Disruption of any community is never a good thing, by the looks of this current system Blizzard is aiming at having us all play together.

“Battleground Communities.”
Where we all can play together, friends, foes, veterans and levelers within a controlled balanced environment.

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I dont know about you all, but these suggestions for separating queues is terrible IMO.

Have any of you queued for battlegrounds past level 50? Its a slog of 25 minute queues constantly. Fracturing the brackets even more is a terrible idea. These are no longer the days when you could get Alterac Valley games going in any bracket. The population of levelers is just not high enough with 110 boosts in the game. Maybe now that we have reduced leveling times it will be beter, but its still pretty bad right now.

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this.

I am leveling a Hunter right now, by doing BGs only. all I have is heirlooms and what I get from boxes. It is not that bad.

Are there twinks that just decimate me? - yes… (using this opportunity, I would love to say hello to all the arcane mages in 29 and 39 bracket, and my mom, dad, uncle Ben, and granny Elizabeth).

But it is, honestly, not bad at all. Ques are abysmal though, so separating the ques would suck…

I love pvp, and I love leveling by doing BGs. It would suck for me, if they would separate the ques even more, and make it next impossible to level like that.

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Or it could be like it was when they split them before, queue times actually got faster because more people were inclined to queue. I saw several who claimed this so I tested it myself and I remember my queue times being around 15ish minutes and went to an average of 8 minutes after the split. :thinking:

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New expansions and prepatches ALWAYS reduce queue times. 60s during the prepatch was a 4 minute queue, and now its 25 minutes. I don’t think any of us know for certain what is the cause of that, because it happens every expansion. Perhaps we’re both correct to a point. Everyone starts playing again out of excitement for a new expansion, new spells, new PVP balance. There were even way more twinks playing during the prepatch compared to now.

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3.2 Introduced direct Experience within Battlegrounds.
The dedicated players were sitting nice on fully enchanted BOA items, which was same era. Majority of levelers had no chance at getting them due to currency grind. Once again the dedicated players were prosperous.
I remember how strong my two-handed BOA Axe was in comparison to anything available. 3.80 speed with fat stats, Crusader of course was killer.
Xp on brackets had Twinks! and the forums exploded.

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Here’s an interesting thread

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