Nobody can buy honor.
They can buy 500g, which would take about 10 hours to farm, for less than $10.
Still no mass perma bans for gold buyers, still have thousands of bots living 24/7 in dungeons generating raw gold, still have the lotus market being completely controlled by bots and gold sellers.
You don’t need a car to get to work. Yet here we are.
The “you don’t need flasks, consumes, or world buffs to clear MC” is such a tired argument. No one is seriously making this claim.
We want to use flasks, consumes, and world buffs because we like it, and they allow us to see bigger numbers and compete against other guilds and players of the same class. People who say “no one cares about your parse” fail to recognize the thousands of players who do and the fact that there is an entire third party data website dedicated to logs and parsing called Warcraft Logs; maybe you’ve heard of it.
This is fun to us; however, the cost at which to do it is not. It is clear bot accounts have a stranglehold on most farms that are worth doing and the gold buyers just feed into it.
My only two actions to help reduce the artificial scarcity of resources is to, a) implement a chance for Black Lotus to proc off high level herbs and b) implement static layers that don’t constantly collapse and consolidate throughout the day, allowing real players a better chance at worthwhile farms.
actually ive seen the claim many times
“If i dont get consumes ill lose my raid spot and ill have to join a guild that cant clear past firemaw”
The claim I’m referring to is that you need these consumes to clear content, not some guild requirement. If that guild’s requirement is an issue for the player, that person has the option to find another guild that more fits their play style.
“I want the highest possible numbers when killing Lucifron in less than 30 seconds, but I do not want to pay the premium to do so. Blizzard, please help.”
it’s just not a good way to frame the argument that additional #SOMECHANGES are needed.
So, you think the economy is in a good position? You’re fine with bot accounts and gold buyers setting the price of consumes, pushing the standard, TOS compliant player out of what they enjoy?
Of course we have to plead for help from Blizzard because we can’t take any real action ourselves.
You want your Warrior to be the pinkest-pink of all other Warriors? It’s going to cost you.
Why do Warriors even care about the price of flasks? You’re all RMTing anyway for Lionheart Helm and Edgemasters/Stronghold.
i understand that hence me quoting the player and them saying they have to join a different guild that doesnt require consumes but wont clear content
That’s the whole point. This is a behavioral problem. No one is downplaying the effect that bots and RMT have on the economy, but the “blizzard please do something” people are completely ignoring the demand side of the supply and demand.
If people stopped using full consumables for raids like Molten Core, those consumables would be cheaper.
If you want to use full consumables, you need to accept the responsibility to pay the price for them.
Just because it’s in the game, doesn’t mean you have to use it.
Raiding isn’t a competition. You win no prize for beating the other guy on DPS.
However, you can make it your goal to compete, and if you wish to play that way you need to step up your game and put in the effort to do everything it takes to top those meters you care so much about.
You want to be part of a hardcore min-max raiding guild? You need to put in the effort.
You want to be in the top 10% of damage? You need to put in more effort than everyone else.
It’s not Blizzard’s responsibility to make the game easier for you because you can’t accept that maybe some content is beyond your skill level, time commitment, or desire to complete.
What in era would be beyond people’s skill level?
Even anti gdkp players are good enough to clear MC and BWL lmfao
The raids are like 100% clear rates
This is the “New soviet man” fallacy.
You see communism never failed, the entire population just needed to be re-educated out of their old capitalist ways.
It’s a stupid argument, and you don’t even realise you are doing it.
The other option is to just increase 2004 node spawn rates for a mega pop server.
I know this might come as a shock, but playing a 20 year old version of the game like it’s the modern version of the game may not be the most fun way of playing it.
Yes, consumables cost more now than they did in vanilla, but that doesn’t matter if you don’t buy them. Given the current content available in Anniversary, most players who were doing this content in vanilla did not buy nearly as many consumables to clear this content as the players are now.
If you want to use all the consumables, you need to pay the price. It’s not on Blizzard to hand you free consumables.
It’s way more common to use consumes in all of wows life span than it was to have consumes be this rare and expensive.
This version is the outlier.
You wouldn’t tell someone to not use consumes in literally any other version of wow.
Yeh so when AQ40 hits what about greater nature pots for huhu, visc and cthun?
Think the community is just gunna blow 50g each?
Honestly man let the adults discuss this, you sound like a robot reading off a script.
AQ40 is for the top raiding guilds. Their guilds should be helping their raiders, but yes if you want to do one of the top raids, you’re going to have to put in the work.
On my vanilla server I think only 1 Horde guild even did AQ40. There were about 4 Alliance guilds that did.
Again, it goes back to trying to play classic like retail. If you want to be in the top 3% of the vanilla player base (killing a boss in Naxx), you’re going to have to put in the work.
Maybe stick to a more casual raiding guild that is doing MC and maybe BWL if it’s too stressful to do the higher tier raids.
Yeh, your still playing today like it’s 2004.
AQ40 is easy but some basic consumes are required. Again bro leave this conversation to the adults who have experience with these things.
funny, GDKPs cleared AQ40 all the time with gray parsers because the adults were GDKPing.
AQ40 is NOT hard
We just need to recognize full buffs and consumes for what they really are, nerfs to the content, ez mode, etc etc, turn MC into an entry level dungeon so tourists can rush through and not feel like they missed out on the classic experience,
makes sense for anniversary and aligns with how WoW has gone from a video game to a tablet or mobile game design.