You cant have both! (Covenants)

If someone asks you: "Do you want to watch the new Harry Potter or Star wars movie?’
If you choose Harry potter and dont bother ever watching star wars you have made a choice to watch the one that you care about and were fine losing star wars. That was a choice.

If you choose Harry potter and then also go to see Star wars then you have not made a choice as you have seen both, there was no choice.

The whole concept of covenant choice is simple, YOU CANT HAVE EVERYTHING, you HAVE to choose the one you like the most.

That is what gives value to covenants, that your choice matters.

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Night Fae and Vampires are the only cool ones here, so the majority of my characters will split between these two. But of course i will unlock all cosmetics across all covenants and if i have to switch covenants around to achieve this i will.

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Tommy Wisesu’s voice Oh hi Ralph.

I would ask them what they have for episodes.

And i would also ask them if they have the Mark Web’s and Sam Rami’s Spiderman movies.

Oh no… i choose to watch both cause i like both. What a horrible terrible world we live in where people has more then one preference. :roll_eyes:

As for your little thread, i have alts so i wouldn’t worry about it too much. If Blizz does give a way to give an option to change your choice you picked, i wouldn’t mind it too much.

And that’s a good thing. While it doesn’t lock you in, the choice still matters cause the process of changing your choice SHOULD be a moment where you have to be certain if this is what you actually want to go though and not just change willy nilly like retail talents. I mean look at Classic Talents for example, you have to pay a lot of gold to reset your talent points and gold is hard to come by.

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Don’t think people understand why some are upset at the choice. The choice wouldn’t be bad if it didn’t have such outrageously unbalanced abilities.

Sure, it’s alpha at the moment, but the power difference between these abilities is through the roof. And I have zero faith they’ll fix that before launch.

The only choice Covenants are gonna give us is if you want to be accepted into groups or not, if you you want to personally derail your power for a dress.

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There’s a difference between choosing between two completely subjective things based purely on their aesthetic qualities and choosing between two things because one has aesthetics you like and the other provides you with a mathematically superior increase in character power.

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Tell that to a baby that wants both toys for Christmas and they start crying and whining and calling you stuff, gamers TM seem to be acting the same when someone tells them they cant have everything.

Which is only needed for 3 things

  1. World first
  2. People who push to highest possible m+ aka 24/25s rn
  3. People trying to get 99-100 parses

Everyone else does not need the mathematically optimal build and using it wont make them any better because skill doesnt magically manifest through copying a meta build, it manifests by a person enjoying and playing a class, learning about it and how to use it well, something you cant just copy from a guide.

A perfect recent example was Scripe bursting out at some idiots telling him to use immolate during his Torghast run, Scripe as a person who knew his class knew that 1) He is already overcapping at shards due to million infernal anima power 2) immolate damage is irrelevant at higher torghast levels.

The bad players read a guide that told them “never let immolate fall or you are bad”, then they took this and started worshiping it and started attacking any heretics that might now worship the same.

Meanwhile people who care about their class and enjoy it would know when to use it and when it isnt as useful and when it isnt worth using, they are not bound by a guide.

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…Are you talking to your self with an alt of yours? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

I mean, i do that too… with only this guy. But you do know people can check the profiles of you and jess and notice it’s both you… right?

Ehh, guess i shouldn’t ruin the illusion and make kids cry… and this is the second most entertaining thing i witnessed. :man_shrugging:

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At this point star wars is a dead franchise…

The mandalorian is the only saving grace.

Everyone wants to maximize their own potential insofar as is possible, regardless of the content they plan to do. This was never a valid argument against accessibility.

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Kids suck, don’t they? They refuse to understand that it’s important in life for people who are more powerful than them to manufacture arbitrary restrictions and call them “consequences”, as though there were something natural about making up rules as you go and then forcing your kids to live with them.

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Maybe instead they should focus on getting better at the class they are playing by understanding it and improving their skills in it, that is how you get better, not by copying guides.

Copying the meta build doesnt do anything about your skill, it increases your max dps cap to 100 yet an unskilled person cant even reach 60 out of that 100 cap using the meta build.

So a skilled person without a meta build with a cap of 95(Since it is sub optimal) that can reach 90 is far more valuable

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As if anyone would choose HP over SW. What’s next, they prefer Narnia over LotR?

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I mean fantastic beasts is a lot more interesting than the current star wars tbh, cant wait for the next fantastic beasts movie.

I would love to live in a world where I can have everything I want and everyone says yes to me, though let’s be honest it would be pretty boring.

Do you really believe I am trying to convince people when I post an argument that is pro current covenant system?
No I dont expect to convince that person, it is all done for the audience.

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This is how Ralph really feels about consequences of making important decisions: they shouldn’t apply to him.

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Skill curve doesn’t have anything to do with optimal choices, and optimal choices are going to be made over aesthetics at any point in a player’s experience that feels like there is a need for increased power to streamline in-game activities.

Your entire argument is, “But unless you’re skilled, you don’t need to make meta choices!” but this argument falls apart if there is any sort of personal progression path between unskilled and skilled. As soon as one hits that threshold, the meta pick immediately becomes necessary.

As long as this remains the case and each individual must make the choice based on self-assessment, the meta pick is the necessary pick.

There is no reason this system needs to be designed such that the choice between aesthetics and function even needs to be made. All one would have to do is create a progression path for each Covenant that makes every ability available (with appropriate name/appearance changes) once the progression path is complete.

I have no problem waiting eight weeks to get the best ability for my build if it means I can choose the Covenant whose aesthetics I most enjoy. The problem arises when choosing that Covenant locks me out of the ability I want most.

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Oh yeah everyone must be doing these 3 things I mentioned:

  1. World first
  2. People who push to highest possible m+ aka 24/25s rn
  3. People trying to get 99-100 parses

They must be hitting that threshold where a meta build is required for progress, damn everyone is a world first raider these days xD

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i don’t know what i like, this is why i can’t eat at subway, how i’m supposed to chose

Ah a fellow bottom of culture I see

Are you seriously suggesting that the only people who are skilled at the game are those who obtain world firsts, reach high keys, or log their DPS to compete against other DPS in the top two percent worldwide?

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Yes I did I like both so I chose to see both so bad analogy.

Matter of fact if you want to do the movie analogy should of went with star wars and start trek . I chose to see both because I enjoy both so I made a choice to do what I enjoy . That is a choice.