Joining a harry potter house or a star wars side doesn’t limit what power you can use tho, which is the part people don’t like. Locking people choice for story purpose is fine, for power purpose it’s another.
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But what if watching Harry Potter gives me magic powers and watching Star Wars gives me a space ship?
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No I am saying the vast majority do not ever reach the threshold where a mathematically optimal build is required.
Back to my previous example, meta build has 100 damage cap, a skilled world first raider can reach 99-100.
And unskilled player can reach 50-70.
Now a sub optimal build might have a cap of 95.
A skilled person who plays that build can reach 80-90 easily.
The content requires people to have around 60/70 DPS unless we are talking about those 3 things.
Which means they dont NEED the mathematically optimal build, and a skilled player playing a spec they enjoy will always be more valuable than a meta slave.
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So you don’t actually believe in anything you said in and just made this thread for giggles and jokes and just allowing us argue your alt as part of a joke.
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Magic powers>>>>>>spaceship
You can believe in something and also know you arent going to change anyone’s mind, I believe all the stuff I say, I simply dont expect that I will change the mind of the average person since they are far too limited to even understand half the things I say, so might as well entertain myself.
Why do you seem to be so fixated on requirement being the hurdle here? It isn’t. People want to choose an aesthetic they like. They also want to choose a powerful ability (presumably, that they like). Forcing a choice between the two when they have completely different reasons for being favorable is bad design, plain and simple.
You don’t seem to see any gradient in skill, which is mind-numbing, to be honest. You also don’t seem to have any ability to relate to people who want to feel powerful in the skill bracket where they are even if that doesn’t mean chasing records and titles.
There is, again, no need whatsoever to design this system such that a choice between aesthetics and function must be made. It exists that way now because aesthetics informed function in the design process. They should have designed from function and let that inform aesthetics.
Nobody playing this game needs a mathematically optimal build – not even the top 1% of players. Because, and this is important, the game is not a static entity. If the top 1% can’t complete content, the content will be nerfed until completion is where statistics indicate it should be.
The metric by which you are arguing against a change is as fluid as any other.
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Because somebody has to be the best in the world to want to do their best? Nobody is allowed to try to play at the height of their ability and try to put out as much dps as they possibly can unless they are pushing the razor edge?
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I’m directing that statement/question towards you cause you leaving it intentionally open for whether or not this thread is serious or not, only to tell us our interpretation is wrong, making it convenient to change at whim cause it seems disingenuous. You are just better off just specifying if the thread is or is not instead of avoiding the simple question.
Okay, you’re being serious then.
…By making a thread that is pro locking choices and arguing against yourself with that alt. 
You have an odd way of entertaining yourself. But hey, if it makes you glad, then i’m glad for ya. 
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For the vast majority of us who do normal or maybe heroic, who the heck cares? Only mythic and world first types are gonna min max everything.
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He’s arguing against himself with an alt? o.O
Yup, check out the pet battle tabs on both if you don’t believe me.
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Because people keep using the word NEED when they are talking about the mathematically optimal build, they dont NEED it, they WANT it and in this world you dont get everything you want.
In addition they WANT it for the wrong reasons because the same people are never going to reach the cap and would have similar or better performance if they stuck to what fits them and they enjoy and through that learn their class and get better.
You cant, or rather you shouldnt feel powerful if your performance isnt in the records, that is called being delusional, the people who have high logs(Usually, I know corruption kinda messed everything up)
The person who reaches a high parse consistently(Preferably without ignoring everything to farm logs but its a thing) is the person that DESERVES to feel powerful, he has EARNED that right. People who want to tell themselves they are powerful without backing that up have not.
They do because money is involved in world first.
That argument doesn’t make any sense, in reality is easier to play the meta builds than it is to improve. Why would someone that is “bad” at the game try to make things more difficult by not playing the most optimal build?
If the whole raid can have 5%-10% more dps(im being generous here, is going to be actually higher), by picking the best covenant why would they gimp them self by choosing another one?
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This is the most idiotic nonsense I’ve ever read on a forum about a video game.
The whole point of playing an RPG is the power fantasy. You are stating that power fantasy should be off-limits to people.
That is how you make a game fail.
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I disagree here, maybe true for lazy gamers TM who dont want to bother learning or getting better but if that is the case why even bother playing an mmoRPG? Because high gear will carry you?
Meanwhile if a player has passion about a class and enjoys it, he will perform better by learning that class and making his own choices rather than being enslaved by a meta build.
You arent completely wrong there, video games instead of being about great design and ideas often focus on making the person feel better for themselves through tricks and manipulation that leads the player into thinking they are great and skilled.
And that is the definition of delusions and I will absolutely always be against delusions in any part or aspect of this world
But you can watch harry potter for 30 minutes. Then watch star wars for 30 minutes.
Then go back and pick up where you left off on harry potter. AND THEN go back to Star wars and pick up where you left off…
welcome to the present.
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…You’re playing a fantasy game. And complaining about delusions.
Fantasy is literally a synonym for delusion. Your argument makes no sense, I struggle to believe that you’re making it in good faith.
Blizzard, please never listen to this person. They are not a good source of design advice.
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Or maybe just pay people to do the work for them - this way they won’t have to worry about any of the covenants they pick.
A delusion and immersion are two very different things, one is done consciously for the sake of enjoyment, the other is done subconsciously for the sake of someone’s self esteem and leads to a myriad of problematic behaviors.
Comrade Lenin would disagree
That’s right!
Some of us enjoy the fact that those of you who try to be team players are going to be hurt the most by the covenant restrictions.
Don’t take away our joy!
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