What was even the point of responding with this?
Talk about a useless post rofl.
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That sure was an extremely long original post just to be wrong about everything posted.
Apologies if my maths is incorrect or not so easy to read. But this is just a little something I made based on your requirements for the posting and current gold price average according to Google. So true results may vary.
But it’s what’s behind my argument that the boost has an effect if taken advantage of.
TL;DR
- mage boosted account takes 12.04 days to break even
- $$$ boosted account takes 3.57 days to break even
Let’s say I’m a botter and I’ve been given $340 by dad to help me join the family business and I’m trying to weigh up my options on where my money is better spent to begin my empire and I’ve got nothing to my WoW name.
Mage boosted (M):
8k gold to pay for boosts
$15 x 4 acc
$35 per 1,000g
35x8= $280
Up front cost = $280 + $15per acc = $340
Per acc = $85
8 days to level characters to 58 (0 profit to this point)
Paid boost ($):
$60 x 4 = $240
$15 x 4 acc = $60
Up front cost = $240 + $60 = $300
Per acc = $75
Farm rate:
600g per day per acct = $21 per day per acc
21 x 4 acc = $84 a day total
$ accs:
$300/84= 3.57 days to break even.
8-3.57=4.43 days remaining until mage boosted toons reach 58
$ toons Profit during remainder: 4.43*84=$372.12
Day 8:
Mage boosted = -$340
$$$ boosted = +$372.12
Mage boosted = $84 daily earnings
$$$ boosted = $84daily earnings
M 340/84 = 4.04 days farming to break even on their investment
8 day boost + 4.04 farm = 12.04 days to break even.
$ in that time = (day 9-12.04)339.6 + (day 0-8)372.12 = $711.48
Profit 12.04 days in:
M = $0
$ = $711.48
Remaining days in subscription: 30-12.04 = 17.96
17.96*84=$1,508.64
Total profit per investment =
M = $1,508.64
$ = $2,220.12
$ boost accounts would permanently be $711.48 dollars ahead.
However
Assume the botter has $1k monthly expenses and wishes to spend the remainder on the business. For this scenario, they want to maximize profits to start with the highest number of accounts in month 5.
Business funds:
M = $508.64 = 5.984 @ $85 (round to 6)
$ = $1,220.12 = 16.25 acc @ $75 (round to 12)
First month for new acc
M = $1,508.64 / 4 = $377.16
$ = $2,220.12 / 4 = $555.03
New accounts total profit:
M = $377.166 = $2262.96
$ = $555.0316 = $8880.48
Total profit EOM2: (2nd month acc $21/day)
M = $2262.96 + $2520(6304) = $4782.96
$ = $8880.48 + $2520(6304) = $11,400.48
New account fund M3:
M = $3,782.96
$ = $10,400.48
Total accounts:
M = 10
$ = 20
New purchased accounts M3:
M = $3782.96 / $85 = (44) 44.05
$ = $10,400.48 / $75 = (138) 138.67
M3 purchased acc profit:
M = $377.1644 = $16,595.04
$ = $555.03138 = $76,594.14
Combined EOM3:
M = old 10, new 44
$ = old 20, 138
M = (10630) + $16,595.04 = $22,895.04
$ = (20630) + $76,594.14 = $89,194.14
Account total Month 4 (final month)
M = 54
$ = 158
New account fund M4
M = $21,895.04
$ = $88,194.14
Newly purchased:
M = $21,895.04/85 = 257 (257.6)
$ = $88,194.14/75 = 1,175 (1,175.9)
Total monthly profit EOM4 (Ban hammer)
M = ($377.16257) + (54630) =
= $96,930.12 + $34,020
= $130,950.12
$ = ($555.031175) + (158630)
= $652,160.25 + $99,540
= $751,700.25
New account fund Post-Ban:
M = $130,950.12
$ = $751,700.25
Love the math. Numbers always help prove points. 
I respect and followed all of it. With your math and argument you would be logically correct. However, you are tailored to a specific situation. You ARE correct in THAT situation. However, I would counter argue with 2 small logical caveats.
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You are using current prices. At it’s peak (About a year ago) 1000 gold cost $5-7. About 4-6 months after TBC comes out you will probably be able to get 1 or even 2k for $5-10 due to the massive increase in gold availability and farming rates in TBC.
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You are assuming a new botter on the scene. Most of the conversations i’ve seen have been about existing botters replenishing banned accounts.
If we are talking a new botter at the start of TBC (meaning current gold prices). Then you are 100% correct. It would make more sense for said botter to use the paid boost. Your math checks out. And you are correct in that scenario. Period.
However, in the context of existing botters replenishing their banned accounts a few months after TBC launches the math changes. Cost per mage boost account would be $25-30 range. ($15 sub and 10-15 in gold). Let’s error on the side of more expensive and go 30.
For that same $340 you could now mage boost 11 accounts instead of 4. That changes the profits significantly (But it’s almost 5 am and i can’t type out the math cause i need to go to bed).
Both sides of the argument have points that are valid. Just depends on the situation. Nobody has expressly stated WHICH bots the conversation is about. New bots at the start of TBC or existing bots replenishing supplies a few months in. Far as I’m aware the discussion is about the latter. But i could be mistaken.
You ARE 100% correct about the benefits of the boost at the start of TBC for new botters. But i maintain the counter argument for existing bots 6 months in.
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Ahh true I was not aware prices were different.
For your points
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Once TBC comes out eventually everybody will have more gold and due to inflation I would expect boost prices to increase similarly. With mage nerf even more so perhaps was in not sure Paladin will be quite as efficient (I don’t know that for a fact).
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Even as an existing botter, gold is your stock. The street value now is it’s new value and not what you got it for. E.g. i get Bitcoin for $5. It’s now $30. If I use the bitcoin I don’t consider it to be the cost at which it was when I acquired it. I’m now spending 5 bitcoin, im spending $150 of bitcoin as opposed to the $25 it used to be. In the same way they can sell that 8k gold for $280, so it is $280 worth of their stock.
Current prices are the most important prices because it’s only 4-12 days to turn a profit. We can’t freeze the example in time until the future where prices regulate back down (if they do).
But regardless of that, lets assume the cost from a year ago. mage boosting means they can not begin to turn a profit on their $35 until 8 days in as opposed to 4 days in for the $$ boosted account.
So to choose mage boosting is to choose a dead zone of 8 days (excluding recouping costs) as opposed to no dead zone and fully recouped costs in half the time.
If 6 months into TBC the prices go the way you say and inflation does not cause price hikes for boosting then I could see people opting for the cheaper up front cost, but I personally would still opt for the faster return. But that will come down to the botter and their number of clientele (how quick they can flip the gold) and cash on hand.
Blizzard got wardens? LOLOLOL nice bait
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Try 25/hr.
Sorry you spent all that time on that but… that’s all nonsense.
For one… boosting to 60 doesn’t take 6k gold. It doesn’t even take half that. In fact, I got to 60 recently on just under 1k. Secondly… 1k gold doesn’t cost anywhere near $35. So just right off the rip, two of your key numbers are clearly off, and “coincidentally” off heavily in favor of your “hypothesis.” They’re also not going to be making 600g/day as a BRD bot. 400-500 is much more reasonable
So not going to go through the next 50 lines of pseudo math there… but clearly your numbers are waaaaay off.
Are we going to assume Blizz will actually ban botters? I thought they preferred them because of the subscription profits?
I don’t think botters are the reason we shouldn’t have the boost. I think we shouldn’t have it because it’s a horrible idea.
There is a blue post explaining that they are not profitable. Blizzard has records of their bot ban waves. Your ignorance is astounding.
I was bored. I like numbers and also don’t really care. Somehow you’re coming off like a wank though
“I was bored and like numbers” except you got it all wrong so you’re also an idiot.
And he’s the wank for calling out how you’re an idiot? Nice logic.
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this is completely wrong. if there was a boost now, botters could boost a rogue and make their money back in 72 hours as opposed to needing to spend close to 200 hours per character just to get to the gold making portion
botters dont give a **** about risk, especially if they can make quick returns. risk be damned, they will just make new accounts and buy more boosts
Mod Edit: Removed inappropriate language.
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A human can level 0-60 3 days 7 hours. Hunter solo did it. It does not take 200 hours.
Your math is wrong. Period.
A botter can do the following NOW
Get 4 accs
Get 1 mage
Dungeon grind all 4 bots to 60 using the mage boosting meta in two days flat.
Alternatively, can grind mobs, afk, 24/7.
You won’t stop anything cause everything you think it enbables, is already enabled.
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So your big takeaway is that they will use the very un needed boost when they can dungeon level a character 30% faster after prepatch without the risk of losing money if that toon is reported as a bot right after boosting? That math does not check out.
you realize botters use bots to level, right?
And? 1-60, 3 days 7 hours, no boosts, no dungeon grinds, just average leveling.
So Botters, with bots, 24/7, in a group of probably all mages, can do this faster. So this 200 hours is wrong either way you cut it.
So much this, even assuming bots are HALF as effective at leveling than the hunter while using the more effective dungeon boost meta, that’s 82 hours X 2 for 164 hours. Which is almost 25% less than their magical 200 hours that they are protecting for the bots leveling speed AFTER the 30% exp nerve to get to 58.
It’s honestly sad how bad they are at arguing against the boosts by bot fear mongering, when math, business sence, and known leveling times to known exp nerfs that are coming all prove them wrong on the numbers they try to project.
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There’s no botting on World of Warcraft. Stop spreading misinformation.
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Wow definatly has a botting issue, but the boosts will have very little if any effect on it.
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