Nah, you came off like a pretentious clown when the shaman thought he had a point or two. (Shaman disappeared after I pointed him in the direction of finding the quote he thought I said which was the basis of all of his arguments.)
You have CONSISTENTLY been wrong in this thread. The entire time. I am not here to be your friend. I am here to talk about the game, accurately.
This entire discussion has been about RET paladin and you have doubled down on saying they are S tier, and then when itâs pointed out that they are in fact not S tier you pretend like you were talking about holy paladin the whole time
You havenât dunked on anyone, youve just been arguing in bad faith the entire time
No it hasnât. You tried to make it about ret, out of nowhere. But it has never been about ret paladins, exclusively. That is why you havenât made a lick of sense this entire time. (I even asked you to quote me on the ret point because I know I never said that.)
This entire time, I have been talking about Holy/reck and Ret/reck because that is what I play.
Paladin is S tier in Era. I will repeat that again - Paladin is S tier in Era. Do you dispute this now that you are following the true nature of the conversation?
HOLY paladin is S tier
This ENTIRE discussion about avengers shield has been centered around ret paladins using it and why they need it as a tool
Youâre just moving the goal post constantly
No, this entire discussion has been around Paladinâs kit in light of the SoD changes.
I argued that Paladin had the strongest P1 of all the classes, because they did. I then put that on top of my opinion that Paladin is S tier in era at baseline. In light of the SoD additions, Pally will be god-tier at cap.
Again, quote me to prove your point. Good luck
For the majority of the thread we were specifically talking about RET paladin and you argued back without ever talking about holy paladin until AFTER your argument about reckoning making paladin S tier fell apart
You pivoted to making it about holy only after it was made impossible for you to argue that ret is S tier
Nobody was talking about holy paladin here until you moved the goal post
Again, quote me.
I was never talking about Ret exclusively.
This whole time I have said holy/reck and ret/reck.
Because that is what I play.
Every time I specifically accused you of thinking RET paladin is S tier you did not say âholy paladin is S tierâ you just doubled down on saying that they are
Haha, you know why you canât do it?
Because it doesnât exist.
You, and only you, made this about ret paladin.
Youâre hiding behind not having a direct quote.
But anyone that reads through this thread can clearly see the context of the conversation, and itâs very clear that you pivoted to talking about holy paladin only after your position could no longer be defended in good faith
WaitâŚI am hiding behind asking YOU to provide evidence for your claims?
Dude, to say you have lost at this point would be a WILD understatement.
Is that why their pets are still soloing clothies?
Ret/reckoning is S tier you say?
This isnât the only thread youâve argued that RET paladin is S tier in either, youâre also hiding behind multiple sock puppets too
Yes, and look what is right next to that?! Holy/reck.
This is where the concept of context comes into play.
I will repeat what I have said repeatedly during this thread: Ret/reck is an S-tier dueling and Wpvp spec.
Holy/reck is an S-tier group PvP spec.
and PALADIN AS A CLASS is S-tier in Era.
Keep digging that holeâŚlol
Monty Pythonâs King Arthur Horse on a stick look with the guy running behind him slapping the coconuts together for the âhoof noisesâ would be cooler looking and sounding.
You arenât as good at this game as you think you are. I assure you.
The paladin daze was an unintentional bug. Even paladins that are actually good at this game (not you) knew that and my buddies who are excellent paladins said the fix does not surprise them at all.
A shaman cannot get out of the slow without a trinket. He cannot dispel himself so no, youâre wrong again.
You knew at the character creation screen that paladins have limited gap closing abilities. Thatâs on you.
Trinkets have a long cooldown. Itâs a tradeoff that is working as intended.
If you donât think Shaman (especially Orc Shaman) straight up hard counter Paladins you are far beyond saving and will never have the mental capacity to be good at anything.
A Shaman doesnât even need to get out of the slow. Turn around, purge the Paladin and Lava Burst + Shock combo them for over half their health while you get to wear a shield and take hardly any damage from anything the Paladin does.
When and where did I claim they donât - and what does that have to do with avengers shield bug?