I outlined in a forum post I made mentioning the lack of a pre-patch leveling event that having as many people in the vocal community as upset about the leveling speed changes as there are, and then ignoring all feedback on it and declaring the team is satisfied with the changes is unacceptable. The other side is that they saw the feedback, and simply don't care, which is also unacceptable.
I don't want to see the current experience taken away from those who enjoy it, but I want to see an option added in for people to level faster, as with so many suggestions for veteran leveling options that've emerged since the frustration with 7.3.5's leveling speed became widely vocalized on these forums.
He wouldn't have to. He'd just pay for boosts, wouldn't doubt his position comes with a hefty salary.06/28/2018 06:50 PMPosted by MewzyI am willing to be my life savings ion has not leveled a character since the change.
06/28/2018 05:49 PMPosted by Troodrood(remember they're breaking group finder addons to keep everybody from grouping up)
To play devils advocate, I believe they have made the changes to addons creating groups due to the load it placed on the servers and realm hoppers exploiting this. In saying that, they should have incorporated the addons function into the base game and optimise their sharding system to accomodate. It saves so much time and boredom when you are doing you 1000th "Repel the Invasion" or "Cull the Evil Falcosaur" WQs on autopilot while you watch 'insert favourite streamer' on twitch on your second monitor. Currently on Beta, the only Group Finder search button that pops up are for Elite quests.
Some say they have changed it due to the amount of leechers that were grouping up and not doing anything, but honestly Ive maybe run into one or two people at most that would just be sitting there, and they were quickly kicked out of any group i was in. Also people are saying you should do the content yourself, its not hard... But we are in an MMO right?
06/28/2018 07:05 PMPosted by KegstandHe wouldn't have to. He'd just pay for boosts, wouldn't doubt his position comes with a hefty salary.06/28/2018 06:50 PMPosted by MewzyI am willing to be my life savings ion has not leveled a character since the change.
Im sure he would walk to whatever department is in charge of the Player Services and just get them to do it, it would take them all of 1 minute.
06/28/2018 07:05 PMPosted by KegstandHe wouldn't have to. He'd just pay for boosts, wouldn't doubt his position comes with a hefty salary.06/28/2018 06:50 PMPosted by MewzyI am willing to be my life savings ion has not leveled a character since the change.
No doubt he gets all his game services free as an employee perk.
Pulling this from a different thread and prepatch info aside :
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So tl;dr Ion is fine with leveling so all our feedback has been for naught (surprise, surprise).
I really think they're trying to tank WoW. Well, I'll be one of those cancelling my sub, not because of the gimped leveling, but it's definitely a contibuting factor.
Semper Fi!
Yep, I'm gone too, I'm tired of fighting this stupid bunch of morons at Blizzard, Time to find a fun game to play, The fun has been taken slowly away from this game year after year, patch after patch, xpac after xpac….. My sub is up Sept 14th and I had pre-purchased BFA but the heck with it, I'll just chalk up the $69.95 as lesson learned and NEVER again Pre-purchase any game EVER again, Thanks for all the years my gaming friends....
Signing off for good...….
Semper Fi
06/27/2018 12:52 PMPosted by Newaduswouldn't it be interesting to hear them talk about this behind closed doors. fly on the wall thing.
I keep wondering what I"m missing with this treatment for vet players?
The only thing I can think is they actually want to run off all vet players and bring in a bunch of noobs that don't know how things are now vs how things were in the past.
I'm sure chasing off the players who pay the bills all year round will work out very well for them, since this 14 year old game is obviously attracting and retaining new players in droves.
06/27/2018 10:52 PMPosted by Mate06/27/2018 04:29 AMPosted by VelaraYou couldn't gain xp in BGs until late in WOTLK -- patch 3.2. AV in Vanilla was unavailable until late in game
AV was something like April 2005, I am sure some wiki says the exact date.
From the start you always got a little exp in AV as games where won and if you handed in quests. But generally the point was too gain xp as slowly as possible, to the point some would leave just before the win.
Why? because the gap between say a 60 with a sunwell or pvp rank weapon and a 51 was huge:) As soon as you hit 61 the fun was over.
No.
You only got quest xp if you did the quests but there was no xp reward for any bgs until woltk.
And since your original post referred to AV in Vanilla, I don't see what the Sunwell had to do with anything :)
Back to make futile attempts at the mage tower while it's always up. Already regret it. Already want to die. Hey idiots in charge, maybe don't make things that REQUIRE two functioning god damn arms for, huh? Maybe someone out there in my situation can beat this, but at 931, with macros helping out, it's still impossible for me. I wish nothing but misery on the person or people responsible for the mage tower.
Waste of 15 bucks, I'll say that. And since no one's whipped a turd at Ion's face yet to get him to realize that while THEY may think leveling is fine, NO ONE ELSE DOES.
"We're gonna introduce all these Allied Races! And then make leveling such a slow, boring chore that you'll never level them all! Isn't that great?!"
No, you floppy dolphin sock puppets, it isn't! And as this thread shows, we want a solution. We still want to talk to the people responsible, and we still want to find SOME way to expedite this godawful, tedious process.
Right now, I don't even know if I'm going to come back once this month is up. Why bother? If it takes 70+ hours to level one Allied Race, I'm sure as hell not going to go alt-crazy and make one of each. Who the hell would? Neckbeards whose parents pay for everything? Because I sure as hell don't have the kind of time required to make one of each. I don't have the time to make and level TWO. So why would I come back? For more of the same crappy Legion-esque content?
Yeah. No thanks. The Mage Tower epitomizes everything wrong with this godforsaken game. It's time for WoW to either die or go free to play. Pull the plug, this is a failed experiment.
Waste of 15 bucks, I'll say that. And since no one's whipped a turd at Ion's face yet to get him to realize that while THEY may think leveling is fine, NO ONE ELSE DOES.
"We're gonna introduce all these Allied Races! And then make leveling such a slow, boring chore that you'll never level them all! Isn't that great?!"
No, you floppy dolphin sock puppets, it isn't! And as this thread shows, we want a solution. We still want to talk to the people responsible, and we still want to find SOME way to expedite this godawful, tedious process.
Right now, I don't even know if I'm going to come back once this month is up. Why bother? If it takes 70+ hours to level one Allied Race, I'm sure as hell not going to go alt-crazy and make one of each. Who the hell would? Neckbeards whose parents pay for everything? Because I sure as hell don't have the kind of time required to make one of each. I don't have the time to make and level TWO. So why would I come back? For more of the same crappy Legion-esque content?
Yeah. No thanks. The Mage Tower epitomizes everything wrong with this godforsaken game. It's time for WoW to either die or go free to play. Pull the plug, this is a failed experiment.
Just giving a small boop to the thread. Back to page 1 with you little buddy.
06/28/2018 05:49 PMPosted by TroodroodI know Ion said that the reason there are no new players is because new players want all hard all the time. That sounds like self-serving nonsense to me, given my leveling experience as a new player and on the ptr.
I believe wildstar tried that. It didn't work.
06/28/2018 05:49 PMPosted by TroodroodLow level areas are complete ghost zones.
Hell I called this before it went live. It was obvious this would happen again very quickly after the "hype" of scaling died down. Especially when a lot of folks wouldn't even bother making new toons.
What I find most absurd is that they even had a blue post recognizing how many people "misused RaF" as a means to just level fast. Then there was the mass-xp Legion pre-release event (probably unintended).
Regardless when that many folks in a community were trying to more cost-effectively blow past your leveling content - it should probably tell you something.
They certainly can't pretend to be taken some kind of "good of the game" BS high-ground since boosts are still very much a sale item.
Then there is the fact that the purchase of latest xpac comes with a free near-max level toon - which kind of undercuts the entire thing!
I would love to see the number of "new" accounts that are just shadow copies of WoW (i.e. xpacs bought on sale for essentially a reduced price boost). I know I have one to be used.
But they are just claiming blissful ignorance.
As if the MMO market isn't littered with great games that were ruined by terrible dev choices.
SWG, SWTOR, Wildstar all come to mind, especially SWG.
Let's not forget how they don't want new players to be overwhelmed by abilities during the leveling process.
However, they are perfectly content with a person investing in a boost (from a starter edition, or from a level 100 class trial), which completely undermines that intention.
I could go on about RAF, heirlooms, the boost in XP from 10 to 60, the turning of mobs into punching bags, and so on and so forth, but I feel those points have been hammered down quite effectively in this thread.
It's just a pity to me that "the team" acts in what appears as self-serving nowadays -- at least where leveling is concerned. It's disappointing. And I'll echo my earlier sentiment, with a little added: it's all well and good that "the team is happy" with what was done to leveling, but in what universe is that going to matter when the majority simply doesn't do it? Or doesn't completely buy into boosts?
At some point, "the team" is going to have to come off the pedestal and wade in the muck with us.
However, they are perfectly content with a person investing in a boost (from a starter edition, or from a level 100 class trial), which completely undermines that intention.
I could go on about RAF, heirlooms, the boost in XP from 10 to 60, the turning of mobs into punching bags, and so on and so forth, but I feel those points have been hammered down quite effectively in this thread.
It's just a pity to me that "the team" acts in what appears as self-serving nowadays -- at least where leveling is concerned. It's disappointing. And I'll echo my earlier sentiment, with a little added: it's all well and good that "the team is happy" with what was done to leveling, but in what universe is that going to matter when the majority simply doesn't do it? Or doesn't completely buy into boosts?
At some point, "the team" is going to have to come off the pedestal and wade in the muck with us.
06/29/2018 02:00 PMPosted by Vancroweit's all well and good that "the team is happy" with what was done to leveling
Wanted to crop this out to also say, since when does "the team" represent the ENTIRE player base. Fat lot of good it does "the team" to be happy with the leveling when a chunk of the PLAYER BASE isn't. You know, the player base? The ones who PAY MONEY to "the team" to play their game.
06/29/2018 02:06 PMPosted by Xzistance06/29/2018 02:00 PMPosted by Vancroweit's all well and good that "the team is happy" with what was done to leveling
Wanted to crop this out to also say, since when does "the team" represent the ENTIRE player base. Fat lot of good it does "the team" to be happy with the leveling when a chunk of the PLAYER BASE isn't. You know, the player base? The ones who PAY MONEY to "the team" to play their game.
Precisely my point, although I could have presented it more sarcastically.
Maybe they want to corner that market now as well. ;P06/29/2018 01:21 PMPosted by YonbiAs if the MMO market isn't littered with great games that were ruined by terrible dev choices.
Nothing good could ever come with that when you have no competition you get lazy and eventually stop putting effort.06/29/2018 04:48 PMPosted by KegstandMaybe they want to corner that market now as well. ;P06/29/2018 01:21 PMPosted by YonbiAs if the MMO market isn't littered with great games that were ruined by terrible dev choices.
Haven't seen this post in a while. How goes the fight?
06/29/2018 04:48 PMPosted by KegstandMaybe they want to corner that market now as well. ;P06/29/2018 01:21 PMPosted by YonbiAs if the MMO market isn't littered with great games that were ruined by terrible dev choices.
Yep, They've ruined this game for me! The funny thing is that I was playing for about 14 years, A year or so before BC came out but anyway I stayed through all of the mistakes Blizzard made through the years and didn't post hardly at all because everyone complained and expressed what I would have posted anyway.
Now here I am with a unlocked purchase of BFA that's non-refundable but you know what, I said the He** with it, I'm not taking this crap anymore, One account is closed and the other will close 09-14-2018, I've played enough of BFA Beta to see what it's like and it's ok but I'll be Da** if I will go through the slough and level the new toons that enticed me to buy the xpac in anticipation of having time to level them before BFA releases, I just can't do it and I'm not going to pad their pockets with any more boosts!
I just looked back all the way to 2014 and I have paid for 7 boosts, I quit counting the tokens I purchased at 25, I've spent way too much money on this game and now to not even be considered for what many of us have expressed in our disappointment of their dictatorship changes in their precious game?
I'm at the point that I hope they can everyone of the dev's that back this change, I for one won't EVER support this game EVER again!
Semper Fi
Still no reply even though this is a feedback request created by a blue which will reach 150 pages, but spirits are still strong from those who want a fix for all the damage done.06/29/2018 05:37 PMPosted by FlukesniperHaven't seen this post in a while. How goes the fight?
06/29/2018 09:13 AMPosted by RasielYeah. No thanks. The Mage Tower epitomizes everything wrong with this godforsaken game. It's time for WoW to either die or go free to play. Pull the plug, this is a failed experiment.
The mage tower clearly illustrates the thought processes of the devs.
It was designed to be vanity content for elite players at the time. But building the tower was supposed to be done by everybody through their "donations" of Legionfall Suppolies. Those other players who paid for the Mage Tower forwent benefits they could have gotten from instead funding the Nether Disruptor or the Command Center.
06/29/2018 05:49 PMPosted by HylianlichStill no reply even though this is a feedback request but spirits are still strong from those who want a fix for all the damage done.06/29/2018 05:37 PMPosted by FlukesniperHaven't seen this post in a while. How goes the fight?
I take it you all haven't heard the latest, The link below takes you to a post on page 145 in this thread.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20761996118?page=145#post-2883
That's the icing on the cake for me, Time to take a walk.