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[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Wafectus-grobbulus

That’s exactly why I’m asking for LFR.

LFR literally will force players to be in a group with you.

[Wafectus-grobbulus]

@Äpathy-mankrik

LFR literally will force players to be in a group with you.

Someone grabbed their finger and forced the button pushed on their computer?

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Wafectus-grobbulus

forced the button pushed on their computer?

No, tool.

But the system puts them into the same group with you. A group formation is still group formation whether it’s organized or not.

[Wafectus-grobbulus]

@Äpathy-mankrik

No, tool.

But the system puts them into the same group with you. A group formation is still group formation whether it’s organized or not.

I fail to see where someone forced them.

[Dellesta-ashkandi]

So you’re subject to the same subjective social interactions and community judgements but now it’s mediated by a different Blizzard interface. You can retry endlessly so you’re having access! I just fail to see how that’s more fair, and certainly now how that increases your chance to see the end of any raid.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Wafectus-grobbulus

I fail to see where someone forced

@Äpathy-mankrik

the system puts them into the same group with you. A group formation is still group formation whether it’s organized or not.

It’s really not hard to understand, you’re just being intentionally dense because recognizing this truth kills what you’re saying.

I think, well, I’ll let you finish the sentence.

@Wafectus-grobbulus

this is the moment where you tuck your tail between your legs.

[Wafectus-grobbulus]

@Dellesta-ashkandi

You can retry endlessly so you’re having access! I just fail to see how that’s more fair, and certainly now how that increases your chance to see the end of any raid.

if I can get in, it stands to reason that not all groups will behave in that manner. If I’m cooperating with the group’s progress, unless someone peaks at my gear and decides to make an issue of it, it is likely that no1 is going to care what I look like, as long as I’m contributing.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Wafectus-grobbulus

it stands to reason that not all groups will behave in that manner.

True.

But the groups that don’t care are the ones not finishing the content to begin with on the easiest difficulty, let alone the hardest which is what you’re arguing for.

[Aridivh-darkspear]

@Wafectus-grobbulus

I fail to see where someone forced them.

Assuming that LFR drops heroic level gear then yes this forces players to play together. And I know you are the type of person to ask for that, based off the rest of the shiet storm you have been spewing.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Aridivh-darkspear

And I know you are

You’re replying to me but quoted Wafectus. Idk who you’re aiming this at. I think I can figure it out though

[Wafectus-grobbulus]

@Äpathy-mankrik

True.

But the groups that don’t care are the ones not finishing the content to begin with on the easiest difficulty, let alone the hardest which is what you’re arguing for.

And why isn’t that our prerogative?

That’s the rest of you imposing yourselves as AHJs.

You all say you don’t care if a bunch of noobs queued for Algalon via LFR and wiped to eternity…

But your constant opposition to it doesn’t reflect.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Wafectus-grobbulus

And why isn’t that our prerogative?

Because going into a raid assumes you are there to defeat the raid. If you are not there to do that, fine, but then you don’t need a system to put you in a group to go die to trash. You can just go do that by yourself without issue.

@Wafectus-grobbulus

You all say you don’t care if a bunch of noobs queued for Algalon via LFR and wiped to eternity…

Yeah, I ultimately don’t care if a bad group is bad. My issue, as I said, let me requote it for you

@Äpathy-mankrik

@Wafectus-grobbulus

You only support those features as long as they’re implemented when you want them to be, not all across the board for all content

They exist to get players into lower requirement content. Instances are always second to raids until they get M+, which keeps them just as relevant as raids, and even then, M+ is it’s own difficulty that has no random finder at all, due to it’s higher challenge and need for organization.

Story and catch up is what these two systems are used for at the most public level. I know some players that I’m still friends with that need LFR because of social anxiety. They physically can not be in a guild because of this. They use LFR because it doesn’t trigger their anxiety enough to be an issue, because it is unorganized. I fully support them seeing the content and story. They play this game too.

Which is why I hate selfish tools like you. You take these systems and abuse it because you’re a lazy who demands everyone conforms to your subpar standard and accept your own laziness and inability to play the game correctly, which is based solely on you not caring enough. LFR already has a hard enough time with under geared players as it is, let alone those who fully have the capability to play and understand the game but outright refuse to opting to be carried instead, like you.

You’re a selfish tool who should never be in any content that requires more than just you.

I have so many posts to you that I actually almost don’t even have to type anything anymore. I can just fully quote myself.

[Wafectus-grobbulus]

@Aridivh-darkspear

Assuming that LFR drops heroic level gear then yes this forces players to play together.

Why didn’t they go through a guild or PuG as is common?

@Äpathy-mankrik

Because going into a raid assumes you are there to defeat the raid. If you are not there to do that, fine, but then you don’t need a system to put you in a group to go die to trash. You can just go do that by yourself without issue.

That’s just you assuming things, which based on that, you become a self-imposed AHJ.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Wafectus-grobbulus

That’s just you assuming things, which based on that

Ok, where is the assumption?

I said this

@Äpathy-mankrik

But the groups that don’t care are the ones not finishing the content to begin with on the easiest difficulty, let alone the hardest which is what you’re arguing for.

To which you responded with

@Wafectus-grobbulus

And why isn’t that our prerogative?

So if your prerogative is based off of what I just condemned, then it’s what you’re wanting, since it’s your prerogative. You are saying that your prerogative is to be in a group where no one cares, but generally, those are the groups that struggle the most even in LFR on story mode. You want this on the hardest difficulty that exists.

So you’re saying your prerogative is to go in and struggle, with almost no chance of defeating the raid.

So what is the assumption. Again, you claim I just assume and I lack comprehension, but you have YET to actually elaborate further on any of those single claims, opting instead to ignore it entirely and reply to someone else at best, or at worst, moving to a new topic entirely before saying I’m derailing the thread because I responded to your new stance you presented.

[Dellesta-ashkandi]

Nobody is going to endlessly wipe in random groups. Either people stop running it, or it’s mostly partial premade groups looking for fillers that will impose their requirements, or Blizzard will nerf it.

[Wafectus-grobbulus]

@Äpathy-mankrik

moving to a new topic entirely before saying I’m derailing the thread because I responded to your new stance you presented.

This will sum up the converstation well.

I’m not doing any of that; and, I feel like you’re the one doing all that.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Wafectus-grobbulus

I’m not doing any of that

That is literally all you have done, ever.

If you put this much effort into your gear and play, you literally wouldn’t have an issue.

[Aridivh-darkspear]

@Wafectus-grobbulus

Why didn’t they go through a guild or PuG as is common?

If the difficulty of LFR was super easy then they wouldn’t. But having the best attainable loot being a matchmaking free loot fest destroys all integrity of the game. You are not entitled to loot, to access content, or to force players to play with you. You need to ask yourself the questions about why you keep getting declined or why people don’t want to play with you, instead of blaming the system.

@Äpathy-mankrik

You’re replying to me but quoted Wafectus. Idk who you’re aiming this at. I think I can figure it out though

Sorry I was replying to Wafectus not you.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Aridivh-darkspear

Sorry I was replying to Wafectus not you.

I did figure, but, I like to just confirm to avoid confusion.

[Wafectus-grobbulus]

@Aridivh-darkspear

You are not entitled to loot, to access content, or to force players to play with you. You need to ask yourself the questions about why you keep getting declined or why people don’t want to play with you, instead of blaming the system.

None of which reflects anything I’m talking about.

@Dellesta-ashkandi

Nobody is going to endlessly wipe in random groups. Either people stop running it, or it’s mostly partial premade groups looking for fillers that will impose their requirements, or Blizzard will nerf it.

You see, even you do the same thing.

The issue isn’t about what might happen. It’s about access and access alone.