Not excusing it, but the Naaru in question submitted itself for the Blood Elves. Them draining it profusely was what was bad. Essentially, they took advantage of a kind gesture.
I don’t think you know Draenei well enough to think that they hold onto grudges.
I didn’t mention hating an entire race, bro. Also, pretty sure everyone knew and was okay with it. Makes it kinda bad.
To be totally fair on Krazule, it’s a confessions thread and he’s… confessing, to something, I guess. Still, I think his takes are pretty bad. I’d like to offer my formal contention, as MY confession 
I myself am not partial to noble RP, but Kailarra makes a really good point. The wealthy nobles had a higher likelihood of survival. I guess from that standpoint it makes sense that there’d be a lot of noble RP about. Though, tbh, I’d appreciate it if Blizzard actually fleshed out to what extent Quel’thalas is an aristocracy vs a meritocracy - on one level the Farstriders, Magisters and Blood Knights seem to be the factions that hold the balance of power, and don’t necessitate nobility. The only direct example of nobility we have is Lord Saltheril, who largely seems to be making demands of Fairbreeze Village while contributing nothing meaningful to Sin’dorei society? I dunno, I’d like to see more explanation of Sin’dorei nobles in lore before judging this one fully.
My demon hunter, a blood elf who I don’t really RP much but Mean-To-At-Some-Point 
is a blood elf. He was a spellbreaker originally, but when Kael pledged his service to Illidan he gladly followed suit, and tried to learn Illidan’s ways of feeding magic addiction, to save his people. In that sense, he became a Demon Hunter FOR his people. He believed in the Illidari because they helped his people - even giving them M’uru, arguably. When he returns to his home, why would he want to be an edgy outcast? He would want to re-assimilate with the people he gave everything to save.
Nothing wrong with a demon hunter hanging out like a normal person. Nothing wrong with a demon hunter remaining edgy and distant. It depends on the character’s experiences and motives.
They’re undead, not dead. I main a death knight, and I’ve got to say, they’re extraordinarily complex.
What lore mandates about death knights is that they are undead, or at least soulless and infused with necromancy to the point that, like Scourge necromancers, they are de facto undead. Also, they feel the overwhelming compulsion to cause suffering, and literally cannot resist doing so now and again. As such, they’re designed to be murder machines. So, yes, they’re not normal living. But it’s worth noting that there’s a lot of complexity in that.
My death knight is a former Scarlet Crusader, killed and raised during the early stages of the original DK starting experience, ICly. Her whole story revolves around free will - the revelation that free-willed undeath IS possible, that she can still be “human” even though the Scourge killed her. As such, she’s latched herself onto the Forsaken, other free willed undead of Lordaeron, and very much intends to use her ‘second chance at life’ to make a difference in the world. So she very much interacts in society. Even the darker aspects of her nature are used for the good of the Horde overall - when in Orgrimmar she used to go on weekly quillboar hunts.
I guess my point is, there’s more complexity to DKs than being undead scourge monsters glaring at everyone in corners, and occasionally muttering “suffer well”. By all means, some DKs may be like that. But others are seeking a second chance at life, trying to find a new purpose. Thassarian’s arc in Wrath was a very good example of this - fighting for the Alliance and ultimately reuniting with his living sister. After all they’ve done, why can’t Death Knights try to live a normal life, within the scope of their condition?
I do notice that a lot of DKs don’t really rp their undead state or the DK curse. Arthas bestowed on them a hunger for suffering and death. That said when you do RP those traits some galaxy brain just makes an OOC comment about them “being edgy” the class and lore makes them that way. I really don’t blame them for not playing the class as intended. I just embraced it on mine you can’t control what others think about your character and you can’t please everyone, so don’t try and please others. Most of the more judgmental players are not really worth playing with to be honest.
It really is an unfortunate double edge sword. Tell folks you slaughter rabbits outside of Stormwind, and that makes you a monster! Tell them you’re happy and you will be crucified for expressing you have emotions.
Yeah it’s really dumb. There’s tons of people who feel that they are some kind of arbiters of RP. It’s one of the most silly forms of bullying that I have ever seen. I see tons of characters that I think are dumb and tons of characters that I don’t interact with but I never feel the need to bother them about it and I don’t have any interest in policing their RP.
Definitely can’t blame folks for avoiding the annoyance and opting for the Runecaster fantasy.
Hello, my name is Contumacious, and I’m undead.
'Hello, Contumacious.
I confess that I was, as the kids say, ‘hyped’ when I saw the Battle for Azeroth opening cinematic displayed at Blizzcon 2017. The image of a genuine ‘Warchief’ Sylvanas set my bones on fire in a fashion that simply never occured during the events of the Legion expansion. I was sure that the Forsaken were going to achieve a more interesting, married identity to the Horde at large.
I confess that I am more enamored of my own idea of free-willed, undead Player Characters and/or faction(s) in the World of Warcraft than their actual portrayal. I wonder at times if this makes me ignorantly disenfranchised with the lore of Warcraft, willful or not.
I confess that I do judge the way that other roleplayers in World of Warcraft portray the undead, both the Forsaken as a specific pseudo-racial faction and/or nation (what the Forsaken are without Sylvanas is a subject of its own), as well as the myriad versions we have present of Death Knights. I also confess that I find the idea of almost every Allied Race as a Death Knight as disappointing, if not upsetting. I wonder if this means I am incapable of ‘moving on’ from the storytelling beats and aesthetic that Warcraft leaned heavily on during and before Wrath of the Lich King.
I confess that I’m still not 100% certain just what the heck happened during The Burning Crusade.
I confess that I contribute to the ‘low population/RP is dying’ sensation occuring right now on Wyrmrest Accord by not actively participating in open, ‘walk up’ roleplay. I justify this with reasons based on my character and their present motivations, as I do not invest much time if any into ‘alts’, but I feel guilty for it.
I confess that I am tenatively ‘hyped’ for the idea of the Shadowlands pre-launch event with the Scourge finally running rampant over Azeroth. Although I am worried it will have little narrative impact and simply be Legion invasions with a healthy coat of necromantic paint.
I confess that despite all the ways that Blizzard Entertainment has figuratively, emotionally, and financially ‘done me dirty’, I will continue to have an attachment to their primary franchise.
I connect with your message of being ‘more enamoured with your own idea of free-willed player characters than the actual player’. I main a Forsaken, and I absolutely despise them.
Forsaken are fairly consistently portrayed as discount Scourge. They worship their Banshee Queen, while running around and blighting everything, committing absolutely heinous acts, and destroying everything they can get their hands on. They are nearly always essentially evil, and I hate this. It’s so boring. I vastly prefer the interpretation that the Forsaken are twisted and tainted monsters trying to overcome their flaws. They were raised as biological / necromantic weapons, but they wont let that define them. They wont let their horrific origins be who they are. They will work in the protection of Azeroth as best as they can, because they can be better.
It’s a pity that, in my opinion at least, that’s not really portrayed well in game, or in the lore. That it’s more like fanon than canon. Oh, well.
I would like to say that Death Knights having emotions and such is nothing new. Yes, they have a nature that requires them to inflict suffering but the idea they can’t experience positive emotions at all has long been either debunked or changed post Arthas. Though they do tend towards more negative emotions. But this doesn’t mean it’s all they feel.
It should be noted that Death Knights have plenty of room to be good people. In fact, both core race and allied race Death Knights are both stated to be heroes of their people in life. Hell, we’ve had a troll Death Knight who just decided to be a fisherman in WoD and he was really happy about it.
This entire idea that Death Knights cannot show emotion was always quite strange to me. We have had depictions of Death Knights actively protecting and caring for their family ever since their inception.
An image of Morgraine’s father helped him break free of the Lich Kings control during the recruitment scenario in WotLK. The Alliance quest chain in Borean Tundra has Thassarian protect and interact with his sister. I think this dynamic was always at the heart of what Death Knights and Forsaken lore is. It’s not that they are unable to feel positive emotions. It’s that their positive emotions are reserved for a few things they hold dear, whereas many other things are met with cold indifference.
A man who loved his family will still love them as a Death Knight, but might not be kind to others anymore. Someone who loved a certain spot or area as a living creature might still hold fond memories as a DK. We have evidence of this going as far back as the classes WoW inception in 2009.
As for Forsaken: I think my problem with them is more a player-generated problem than it is to do with Blizzard. I see where you are coming from when you say “discounted Scourge” though.
The quest with Leryssa trying to find out what happened to Thassarian is one of my favourites for this reason.
Confession: The Forsaken quest-givers in Silverpine Forest called me Jamarianub and I liked it.
I’ve not logged into WoW for over two months and I feel… nothing.
No guilt, no anxiety, no frustration at falling behind everyone else, just a total apathy to WoW and that saddens me, because I’ve loved this setting and to have finally reached the point where I quite literally do not care about being a part of it anymore is both saddening and sobering.
Blizzard has completely screwed up on so many levels even a fanboy like me has chosen to walk away almost entirely. I essentially am using the forums as a free Discord to talk to my friends and postivity-troll threads.
For the record, I’m not trying to police or arbiter rp. I was simply airing out my annoyances in a confession. I really don’t care what people choose to play.
I also have to confess that I occasionally engage in what I previously referred to as trash or garbage rp. I’ll literally interact with anyone when I’m in this mode.
Also, warlocks with demons out in cities occasionally annoy me. Though…I also rp some of my characters that really don’t care about seeing demons out.
I’ll confess I used to main a Foresaken and they are still my favourite WoW race. Rae was a side-character that grew over time to be my main only because I sucked as a priest, and had more fun as a warlock.
There is a quest chain in Nazmir called “Surprise Backup,” and I absolutely adore the conversations between the NPCs and how they are portrayed. That bunch pretty much exemplifies what I always thought of as the everyday Foresaken with their own personalities just making the best of things as they come their way.
It’s why the killing of Zelling felt awful. The dude was an amazing portrayal of a Forsaken conundrum. And…they just offed him. We do still have Faol, but they would have to actually use his character 
100% agree with you.
I think Forsaken during Burning Crusade was probably the time period when Chris Metzen probably had the most control over them, as they don’t really do anything wrong that I can remember during that expansion, and often seem to want to genuinely help people when they pop up.
Does Faol count as a Forsaken? He’s Undead, but… like Calia, not really Forsaken. Though I suppose that depends on what you’d consider the definition of.
I’m not actually sure. He may solely act as a neutral party, but at the same time, he was definitely risen during Arthas’ reign. So first generation scourge? We don’t actually know a lot about Faol. He might appear in books and stuff. Though he definitely has more of a connection to the Forsaken than Calia does.
I’d like to see him apart of a Forsaken council, because the dude was the Archbishop during the second war, he would have a very close connection to the Forsaken of Lordaeron.