I Prevail, Smash Into Pieces, Citizen Soldier, Written By Wolves, Bad Omens, and STIM occupy a lot of my playlists now-a-days.
Also shout out to Self Deception’s “Fight Fire With Gasoline”.
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“I don’t miss the faction conflict,” I have said many times. “Nothing good has ever come out of it.”
Well I just remembered the Horde vs Alliance mountain dew flavors and I think just for that we can have a little faction conflict.
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Went out for food today…came home with a Deathwatch Kill Team and three Army Painter Fanatic effect paints. Whoopsie poopsie.
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Oh darn. I hate when things just accidentally jump in your bag and you have to take them home.
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I used to dislike the faction conflict until I played WoW without the faction conflict and realized it actually does not have a lot going on as a story.
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I’m tired of Blizzard being indecisive and trying to find a middle ground between Faction Conflict and Faction Dissolution. Either get rid of the factions and let us all group together, or start ramping up to World War 5 and let me kick sand in Lor’themar’s remaining eye.
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eh i like the story without the faction conflict.
Granted, I’m a hero class RP’er to the core, so I’ve always been faction agnostic. Kinda hard to care about the faction conflict when one side consists of the genocidal freaks that burned your forest, the traitor to Lord Illidan, and the woman that failed Silvermoon, and the other faction is useless.
other characters: against sylvanas because they’re on the right side of history
kai: “i hate sylvanas because if I wanted to follow her, I’d just ask her to lower me into a grave so she can let me down one more time.”
(Granted, Kai was killing Horde during BFA because only one faction had shown itself a threat to continued existence. if the Alliance had used the vindicaar or azerite weapons, she would have been killing them, too. smth about “hey, Lord Illidan wanted me to watch Azeroth and I think if we nuke it, there will not be an Azeroth left” combined with classic Illidari “anything you do is justified if you’re doing the right thing”)
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The story without the faction conflict is basically Thrall, Jaina, Anduin and Baine standing in a circle shouting “HONOR” at each other.
I’m sorry, I didn’t read the rest of your post. I’m in a real hurry today. I have, just, so many letters to mail.
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I’m an old enough fan of the franchise to miss the faction conflict.
I’m also an old enough fan of the franchise to fully understand Blizzard can not write said faction conflict even remotely well, and we’re rapidly running out of Horde NPCs to keep a factional conflict sustainable. We’re barely able to meet the quota of One Troll Dungeon/Raid an expansion these days.
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I’m conflicted.
Old Guard Blizzard absolutely could not write the faction conflict–Horde fanboys who would never let their precious green babies get their feelings hurt. But Old Guard Blizzard is no more and it might be nice to see the new team’s take on the faction war.
Then again, the new team brought us the cuddliness of Dragonflight and that proved quite tedious. So maybe we’ve spared ourselves.
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Yeah. Neither Old nor New Guard Blizzard has the writing chops to pull off an effective, believable faction war that would satisfy both sides.
Besides, being completely real here we need at least an expansion or two of solid Alliance lore (No, not the Main Characters of WoW - Alliance as a Faction Lore) to really get any kind of new faction conflict rolling. Because despite the fact the game’s been around for 20 years, nobody really knows how the hell the Council of Three Hammers works.
Hammers. Three of them. What don’t you get?
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One of the reasons I stopped playing is because the story is so Alliance coded that it almost actually hurt. Like sure, Horde doesn’t get much that isn’t ‘suddenly evil, blargh!’ Or ‘we’re vewwy sowwy for the bad thingies we did’ now but there is no reason for the Horde to be at the Isle of Dorn and then underground at all.
Hell Thrall shouldn’t even be on the loading screen art.
I can only hope that Midnight, on top of making the gameplay fun again (it not being fun being the primary reason I left), focuses on the Horde as much as this expansion has focused on the Alliance.
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tbh the community also won’t let them. to write a satisfying faction conflict, someone has to lose.
just look at responses to teldrassil and dazar’alor.
hell just look at the post above me. we’ve had horde focus since basically the dawn of time but one expac doesn’t yoink the horde’s doink and we’re getting crybabies about it.
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Thrall was hearing the same ringing cry that everyone else that drew them there. They have reason.
Its just that, nobody is shown out and about, but the main characters. There arent faction hubs anymore in zones, havent had any since BFA. We all get railroaded down the same path, for better or worse.
Theres no surprise from Arathi characters if you’re undead, a death knight, a shadow priest, any race they were more than likely at WAR WITH before going down there years ago…
Blizz has learned they can make ONE quest line for everyone, and I doubt we will ever get unique main quests again.
Yeah, and I’m sad about it. I would like see race and class based quests. I don’t like the homogeneous game experience. But as others have already pointed out, Blizz’s writing ability is lacking. I’d like something more nuanced. I’m actually okay with factions and conflicts, but I would prefer more than 2.
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I said something to this affect awhile back, and got told that I like “misery prn”
So ??? haha
Worst part is, they have a built in third faction ready to go for people who don’t want to fuss with the faction conflict - The Steamwheedle Cartel.
Booty Bay, Ratchet, and Gadgetzan could easily be retooled into faction hubs for those wanting a more “Slice of Life” story while the Alliance and Horde went around burninating the countryside, burninating the peasants.
The Alliance narrative could pick up that dropped thread from Cataclysm about how the entire non-war economy of the Alliance has collapsed in on itself like a dying star.
The Horde narrative could address the fact that even Thrall accidentally committed a real world situation when he moved the Horde to Kalimdor and forcibly displaced the Quillboar to the point they ended up turning to the Scourge for help.
The Cult of the Damned still exist, and one of them got to AU Draenor to mess up Admiral Taylor’s Garrison. The Burning Legion has fractured by all the demons are still kicking around out in the Twisting Nether, competing with each other.
There’s stories that can be told but we’re on the path of “Hey, here’s a island that was previously hidden and entire civilizations that exist upon it. Isn’t that wild? Uh-oh. Here comes a big bad evil thing!”
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What is the difference between Alliance-coded and just Alliance.
I liked DF ¯_(ツ)_/¯ and TWW has been fine, it has been over-saturated with Alliance characters (but Moria is good). I suspect next or future patch is going to lean into Goblins which I am excited for.
I was going to write something else but I forgot.
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