“TBC is my Wrath Waiting Room”…how many times have we heard this and then when people actually remembered what wrath is-the ease of Naxx, the ease of alts, the tons of dailies-They’re already sick of it and quitting. Sometimes I feel like people just need to take their time and live in the moment we’re in…
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I 'member when all the retail kids insisted Classic was “just nostalgia” and would be “dead in a month”
good times
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TBC was my wrath waiting room. I am still here and raiding Ulduar hardmodes every week on 3 characters. And sometimes on my other 2 80s.
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Still here playing.
To busy having fun to care who quit.
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Certainly! More than “TBC is my Wrath waiting room,” I think there was a lot of hype about Ulduar, and now that we have it, we even have posts asking for nerfs!
Of course, it may not be the same people saying and asking for conflicting things. There are still a lot of us playing this game!
Yeah I’m still having fun.
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I have enjoyed the Wrath experience thus far… Plan to keep enjoying it until the end of the expansion. If they do release Cata I’ll give that a try too and see what happens…
I think you have raid logging confused with quitting.
You’re right, but I mean moreso those people raid logging or quitting, complaining that there’s not more to do seem confused by what Wrath was originally. We know Wrath started to turn more casual/alt friendly, it seems weird that so many people seem surprised by this.
Wrath remained a popular PR choice because people like Wrath. What we don’t like is the way Blizzard handled Wrath Classic. So many changes, and so many things going neglected to make us not wanna play outside of raid night.
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That’s nostalgia for you. It’s the “good old days” mentality.
The problem is, things are never the same the second time around.
Such as? All I’ve ever heard is negative towards no RDF but technically this wasn’t even available until the last patch of OG Wrath anyway. And buffs to raids, of course, but I can’t imagine that’s enough to make people quit…people really just like facerolling Naxx and Blackrock Mountain that the second they have to try they just quit?
Are you asking such as in term of which wrath PR’s were popular? Or what were the many changes and things going neglected?
I can understand the botting annoying people, but what changes do you believe are responsible for people quitting?
Isn’t the proper nomenclature for raid logging technically quiet quitting? I believe that is the parlance of the time.
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Players are older than 2008. People have careers families. This is why no alts are lvld without a jj buff.
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Of course, this is understandable. I fall under this category as well. However, to me it just seems like the same people that were begging for wrath because of the changes it brings to “fix” TBC are the same people that are complaining about those exact fixes. Almost like all they were concerned about was the next thing without thinking about what farming easy naxx for months would do to them
I don’t believe it’s any 1 singular change/neglect but rather the result of a combination of things:
Neglect:
- No communication on Blizzards end regarding stealth nerfs/changes, or addressing any player concerns. When they do address something it’s only after MONTHS of the same issue flooding their social media. It took them 6 months to address the botting issue, their solution was a banwave that simply took 120k bots out of the economy, however bots still remain and nothing will be done about them for another 6 months.
- Automated support system which is both unhelpful in most cases and has at points taken weeks to get a response, even if the response did nothing to solve the issue.
- Automated report system also is directly responsible for many instances of the feature being abused to silence and ban innocent players, with no repercussions to the ones that abused it.
- Allowing bots to ruin the economy, control world resources and ruin pvp
- Many of the most major bugs and broken class abilities reported all the way back in beta are still broken today.
- No management to server population or stability. Megaservers got locked down due to the population being too high, but Blizzard had zero issue accepting all the money for these paid for transfers. Only after accepting all the paid for transfers did they realize their error and try to correct it. Their way of correcting it lead to guilds and friend groups being separated, alts/mains being on separate servers, and still to this day, some servers are still locked to transfers… servers that make zero sense being locked. Example, Pagle has a higher pop than Sulfuras, but Pagle is unlocked, Sulfuras is not.
Changes
- The exclusion of no RDF
- Farming methods nerfed to try to counteract bots also had an an effect for the average player.
- Buff to Ulduar gear had effects in PVP, the new ilvl gear was not balanced for PVP.
- The addition of H+ just made finding groups for normal heroics much more challenging. Most servers were already facing an issue of being unable to find groups for normal heroics due to player dropoff, now it’s even harder because all people wanna do is H+. This is also a huge slap in the face showing Blizzard will dedicate time and resources to stuff no one asked for but when it comes to stuff that matters, they ghost us.
TBH I could go on and on about why people are quitting that has nothing to do with Wrath being a bad expansion, but most do not fall under the ‘neglect’ or ‘change’ category. If I sat here longer, I could honestly continue to come up with at least a half dozen more reasons that WOULD fall under ‘Change’ or ‘Neglect.’
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I disagree, Blizz has made excellent changes to Wrath that have upped the value of the experience. Pre-nerf Ulduar is the most fun raid I have yet done in classic, and the heroic+ 5 mans are slammin’. Gave me a reason to actually do 5 mans on my main for the first month or so of phase 2, when generally on a wrath server you do not touch 5 mans again after you get your phase 1 pre-raid gear.
PS: There’s 50 mmos out there right now with queuecraft if that’s what you want to play. Let the world have a game that doesn’t involve queuing for every dang thing. FFS.
While I respect you disagree, your opinion only factors in YOUR personal enjoyment of the game. Obviously, my response can not be applied to everyone. Yet for the reasons I listed, I have seen a very high number of comments and posts of people complaining about these issues, including posts and comments confirming they are unsubbing because of 1 or more of the reasons provided. If you like the changes, fantastic, but I think people are unsubbing more because of the neglect, not quite because of the changes.
Okay, that’s fantastic, but after you do them, there’s nothing that keeps people doing it.
No one does H+ afteer a certain point either, like all content in this game. If you don’t need something, you likely won’t do it.
Also idk how many wrath PR’s you’ve played but people were always running heroics, even after pre-raid bis gear was aquired, why? Because leveling rates were increased on most popular wrath servers, so people were constantly leveling alts. RDF was also included in most, if not, all popular wrath PR’s which also meant people were more interested in running dungeons because they didn’t struggle forming groups, something that every server on Wrath classic is experiencing, outside of a small handful of servers.
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