Wrath Classic Feedback and Decisions

[Amashaman-malganis]

@Pazorax-1880

We also expect the LFG tool to help facilitate long-term friendship formation for players who are looking for it.

It doesn’t happen. People just play the game different. I’ve been in so many groups in TBC where its exactly like how the RDF is. You see people spamming for 30 minutes. You say I’ll DPS or I’ll heal. They invite you, never talk for 30 minutes and say GG and leave. Nothing is wrong with that honestly. You can have guilds and all of that for your social aspect and get groups together to run dungeons. People have have been using this excuse to not want LFG for years and it’s just been proven wrong. The game is played differently than it was 15 years ago before social media and everything else existed all over the place.

[Bigslappy-benediction]

Solid decisions, appreciate the communication as well.

Please fix heartbeat (CC should not be randomly breaking WOTLK PvP).

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Pazorax-1880

Name changes have been planned all along and will be available at launch

Awesome! Thanks for the update Pazorax!

[Nöcht-ashkandi]

Sweet! I know a bunch of people have been hoping for that.

[Bmjolnir-wyrmrest-accord]

So if you’re allowing faction/race change, does this mean you’ll bring back the original every man for himself (or will to survive, I don’t care what you call it tbh). It’s a slap in the face to nerf the one time Alliance get an edge over horde racials in pvp.

[Firalock-benediction]

So your effectively removing a source of loot loot on top of classics faster paced raid teirs and giving us nothing to make up for it?

@Pazorax-1880

We’ve decided that lockouts should be shared between Heroic and Normal versions of the raid, but NOT between 10/25-player versions of the raid. You’ll be able to do both the 10-player and 25-player version of each raid every lockout period but will have to choose between Normal and Heroic for the raids that offer that choice.

So your effectively removing a source of loot loot on top of classics faster paced raid teirs and giving us nothing to make up for it?

[Bûbbleoseven-pagle]

If only it was limited to alts. Unfortunately, it destroyed the raiding scene and made the gear curve even worse because now, for every tier of gear, you need an additional power level (or two when 10 and 25m had different ilvls)

[Bûbbleoseven-pagle]

No, they’re doing what was done back then. Only one raid did not operate this way, and that was ToC.

[Hurhurzerg-frostwolf]

Thank you. Never heard any clarity on this, nice to know!

[Xutyug-aegwynn]

The real question is why do you hate your customers?

[Restodruid-sulfuras]

@Pazorax-1880

We’ve decided that lockouts should be shared between Heroic and Normal versions of the raid, but NOT between 10/25-player versions of the raid. You’ll be able to do both the 10-player and 25-player version of each raid every lockout period but will have to choose between Normal and Heroic for the raids that offer that choice.

Our original concern was with players feeling “required” to do the same raid multiple times per week in order to “keep up,” but that came more from the original experience of Trial of the Crusader than from Naxxramas. Trial of the Crusader’s original release allowed you to run four different versions of the same content in a single week, all of which provided better loot than anything that had been previously available, which created enormous pressure to run all four versions in order to leapfrog over the Ulduar loot. Making the Normal and Heroic versions of Trial of the Crusader share a lockout does a lot to mitigate that, by cutting the number of weekly runs in half.

Additionally, players have pointed out that in many cases they want to be able to run the 25-player version of the raid with their guild, while pugging the 10-player version. Ultimately, that positive social aspect of having raids of various sizes available each week is compelling to us, and fits our goal of providing a vibrant social ecosystem, for friendships to form and develop in. You might, for example, find yourself pugging 10-player raids with a few of the same people from time to time, and end up inviting them to fill an empty slot on your main raid roster later. By contrast, if you could do both Normal and Heroic in the same week, you’d be incentivized to push your existing group to run them back-to-back, which isn’t the same sort of positive social experience.

This was recently bugged on the Wrath Classic Beta, and both 10/25-player version of Naxxramas appeared to share a lockout, but that was unintended and will be fixed before we launch.

So you’re putting guilds in a tough spot with this change, you now have to pick between trying to do progression on first few Heroic bosses versus getting a full clear of loot in TotGC and ICC.

[Callmeßetty-jom-gabbar]

@Pazorax-1880

We remain hopeful that our recent anti-boosting changes, especially on Fresh Start realms, will invigorate the lower-level dungeons around launch. We also expect the LFG tool to help facilitate long-term friendship formation for players who are looking for it.

If you can’t get RDF to work for Wrath just say that.

Who the … looks for long-term friendships on a bulletin board.

[Venomisto-arugal]

Please also let us transfer alts between our own accounts.

[Gaige-hyjal]

No RDF = No Sub

[Amashaman-malganis]

I’ve had many arguments on this fact that why not just add it. The people who don’t like it don’t have to use it. Create an ANTI LFG guild. In which the response is “Well, everyone will use it and no one will join that guild!”

Which I say it sounds like you’re in the minority here. Not adding affects a whole group of players. Adding it allows both to exist simultaneously.

[Onikaroshi-mankrik]

Eh, i just don’t see it that way, have had zero problems with raiding since LFR came out, if anything it got rid of people who really didn’t belong in regular raids cause now they could see it on their own terms.

[Darrethor-atiesh]

The only people who are ok with not having RDF are already in solid guilds with a strong group of people to group with, or that play tanks/healers

[Martharanik-benediction]

Any update on fresh servers, or tomorrows server consolidation?

[Aeonns-arugal]

Just give us RDF. Your tool is garbage.

Stop being stubborn and give the player base what they want.

[Muddkip-illidan]

@Pazorax-1880

We continue to iterate on the bulletin-board style Looking for Group tool, and we do not have plans to add the Random Dungeon Finder.

Double down, historically this has worked out for Blizzard.