Wrath Classic Feedback and Decisions

Discipleship-pagle · October 21, 2022, 2:49am

I would pay and so would most people.

Exsts-mankrik · October 21, 2022, 3:37am

When a fire start.
Do you

A: Do a action to try and stop it?

B: Pour inflammable substance on it?

C: Ignore it and tell yourself that it will go away by itself?

A sane person will probably take A.
Blizzard… B and C seem to be the choice by excellence in all situations.
Sometimes i even feel like they try to become one with the fire.

Deathwap-benediction · October 21, 2022, 3:39am

Well what i dont do is get on a forum and whine that a fire has started.

Exsts-mankrik · October 21, 2022, 3:41am

I see you have chosen C.

Deathwap-benediction · October 21, 2022, 3:55am

More like i would fix it myself. Which people can do when it comes to RDF. There is a whole alot of content out there with RDF.

Daysgoneby-atiesh · October 21, 2022, 12:51pm

i wouldnt, too many other games to play that have a form of rdf and a much nicer community. i came back here with a few friends to relive wrath, what i got was a mutant form of it with current retail failures inserted and actual working tools removed.

Diesnever-westfall · October 21, 2022, 1:10pm

RDF completes the dungeon for you ?

RDF makes the trip to the dungeon for you.
You lose out on that riveting game play of either flying over the top of the world, or waiting to be summoned.
Please, do play that part of the game for me.
It’s just a waste of time.

And telling people to make friends doesn’t mean those friends are always on at the same time, or have the time to run something with you, or want to run what you want to run.
Different people have different priorities sometimes.

Natureuscary-eranikus · October 21, 2022, 1:15pm

Dang son, we still btfo of OP with that like ratio months later lmao.

Ranker-windseeker · October 21, 2022, 1:16pm

This!? This is what you respond too?

Tell us you are nickeling & diming us without telling us you are nickeling & diming us.

Diesnever-westfall · October 21, 2022, 1:16pm

What about the people with limited time to play that want it ?

That’s right, you will tell them then maybe they should play another game.
Go ahead and drive more people away from playing, that’s a great idea.

Samlosco-angerforge · October 21, 2022, 1:16pm

lol, seriously?

Time to eat humble pie and add RDF. The LFG tool is useless and even worse than useless on a lower populated realm.

Randalflag-myzrael · October 21, 2022, 1:23pm

The people you are talking to failed in real life and only have WOW as a measurement of their own self worth. They need to feel superior to the rest of the player base, the majority of the player base who succeed at life and realize that WOW is merely a form of entertainment. The second it isn’t entertaining, it serves no purpose to normal, successful people. They will never understand this, they can’t. The cognitive dissonance is too strong. Their “accomplishments” in WOW are literally all they have.

Agrias-bloodsail-buccaneers · October 21, 2022, 1:28pm

Blizzard, it’s time to do the needful.

Add the dungeon finder back to Wrath. It’s silly that you even removed it. I’m actually finding it impossible, as a tank, to get anyone (guild or randos) to join a group for a dungeon without investing a significant amount of effort. That effort is better spent leveling and so I’ve been passing up on dungeons a lot.

Agrias-bloodsail-buccaneers · October 21, 2022, 2:04pm

Here’s a recent example -

list self in LFG tool as tank for Utgarde Keep
start questing
45 minutes later get a whisper from a healer asking if I’d like to team up
almost immediate reply that their battleground popped so they’re off to do that instead
10 minutes later finally get a whisper asking if I want to tank… but now I’m busy questing so may as well keep rolling

Aivilove-old-blanchy · October 21, 2022, 2:13pm

Remove rating requirements from PVP gear.

Demonstock-mankrik · October 21, 2022, 2:30pm

I can’t imagine trying to do a dungeon on a lower populated realm. Or trying to do anything other than a heroic even on populated realms.
Doesn’t that push people to want to be on highly populated servers? If you want to do group content I can’t imagine wanting to be on anything else.
Is goal to just do solo play until you can do heroics? And then buy gold so you can do GDKP?

Valadian-bloodsail-buccaneers · October 21, 2022, 3:03pm

LOL @ invigorate. Paz -Classic Wrath needs the dungeon finder like the original cross realm / battle group tool… And continuation of a modified LFG tool (cross realm raid GROUPING like retail). Why? Eventually the 80s will raid log. Adding the dungeon tool will help those level and gear alts, at least keeping a cycle going for a while. Inevitably there will be a large scale drought. But adding this tool keeps people grinding, period.

Social aspects a think are moot. We’re already mostly in a discord with friends, and playing classic with friends. Dungeon finder should have next to zero negative effect. Exception to the rule being the trolls, but overall I think it would be successful.

However, I have my doubts. I don’t think the RDF will come, frankly, because there is next to nobody developing for classic. It’s a void here man.

Stacknbodies-eranikus · October 21, 2022, 3:24pm

Pazorax:

Hey everybody!

Now that we’ve announced that Wrath of the Lich King Classic will release on September 26th, I want to give you an update on some of the items we’ve been collecting feedback on since our Beta began.

Raid Lockouts

We’ve decided that lockouts should be shared between Heroic and Normal versions of the raid, but NOT between 10/25-player versions of the raid. You’ll be able to do both the 10-player and 25-player version of each raid every lockout period but will have to choose between Normal and Heroic for the raids that offer that choice.

Our original concern was with players feeling “required” to do the same raid multiple times per week in order to “keep up,” but that came more from the original experience of Trial of the Crusader than from Naxxramas. Trial of the Crusader’s original release allowed you to run four different versions of the same content in a single week, all of which provided better loot than anything that had been previously available, which created enormous pressure to run all four versions in order to leapfrog over the Ulduar loot. Making the Normal and Heroic versions of Trial of the Crusader share a lockout does a lot to mitigate that, by cutting the number of weekly runs in half.

Additionally, players have pointed out that in many cases they want to be able to run the 25-player version of the raid with their guild, while pugging the 10-player version. Ultimately, that positive social aspect of having raids of various sizes available each week is compelling to us, and fits our goal of providing a vibrant social ecosystem, for friendships to form and develop in. You might, for example, find yourself pugging 10-player raids with a few of the same people from time to time, and end up inviting them to fill an empty slot on your main raid roster later. By contrast, if you could do both Normal and Heroic in the same week, you’d be incentivized to push your existing group to run them back-to-back, which isn’t the same sort of positive social experience.

This was recently bugged on the Wrath Classic Beta, and both 10/25-player version of Naxxramas appeared to share a lockout, but that was unintended and will be fixed before we launch.

Related to this, we also plan to make any trinkets with both Normal and Heroic versions (such as Death’s Verdict) share a Unique-Equip category, so that you can’t have both versions of the same trinket equipped at the same time. While it was originally possible to do this, it was never intended, and motivated us to create the Unique-Equipped categories back then. Prior to creating the Unique-Equipped categories, we could only prevent characters from wearing two copies of the exact same item.

Race and Faction Change

While it won’t be ready for our launch in September, we have changed our minds on this, and we’re working on adding the Race and Faction change as a paid service in a future patch.

Originally, we planned not to offer Race and Faction change at all, because it felt like it removed some of that fantasy feeling of having dramatically different physical attributes that affect your gameplay. We were also a little worried about players chasing the “flavor of the month” in terms of racial abilities However, we’re convinced by the argument that being able to play with your friends is more important, and that you should be able to bring your accomplishments with you when you do. This turns out to be the same tradeoff provided by transferring between realms, which is already available as a paid service, so it makes sense to make the same decision with respect to Race and Faction change.

In short, this fits our aim to nurture and protect social experiences, so we’ll work on it for an upcoming patch.

Character-Based Mounts and Achievements

As before, we plan to have mounts and achievements be per-character, rather than on the account.

This originally came up in response to our plan to not include Race and Faction change, as a suggested alternative way for players to preserve their accomplishments when re-rolling. Since we’ve been convinced to allow Race and Faction change in an upcoming patch, we’re going to focus our efforts on that, and preserve the original Lich King behavior of keeping mounts and achievement associated with the character that earned them.

LFG Tools

We continue to iterate on the bulletin-board style Looking for Group tool, and we do not have plans to add the Random Dungeon Finder.

For players, this has probably been the hottest topic of discussion since our announcement, and we welcome all the continuing feedback on how to improve the tool and make it better. I know this will be disappointing news for some, but we want to settle this topic before launch so everyone knows what to expect and can plan accordingly.

We remain hopeful that our recent anti-boosting changes, especially on Fresh Start realms, will invigorate the lower-level dungeons around launch. We also expect the LFG tool to help facilitate long-term friendship formation for players who are looking for it.

2v2 Arena Achievements and Titles

We’re going to award achievements and titles for the 2v2 Arena bracket, just like we did in Burning Crusade Classic.

Originally, Wrath of the Lich King dropped achievements and titles from the 2v2 Arena bracket, but due to popular demand, we’re going to preserve them in Wrath Classic. When we originally stopped awarding titles and achievements for 2v2s, it was because 2v2 was difficult to balance. Nowadays, rather than try to make all classes equally capable in all brackets, we want to preserve the existing class balance and celebrate the unique play style for the classes that perform well in each bracket.

We’ll always continue to listen to feedback on these and all topics. I hope this answers many lingering questions about what the state of things will be when we release.

Thanks, as always, for your interest and support!

Now that its blatantly obvious that not adding RDF was a super bad decision when can we expect it to be added?

Exsts-mankrik · October 21, 2022, 3:32pm

My realm have a ok population and yesterday in prime time it had around 85 peoples in lfg for heroics. ( 4 tanks 7 heal the rest dps lol. From those tanks most was already in a group.)

Imagine what it like in the leveling lfg. 10? 15?

Isz-mankrik · October 21, 2022, 6:35pm

Old people.