Frankly, no they don’t. The reward is listed and those players can choose to continue grinding them largely for Azerite and Warforge chances or they can choose to stop grinding them or level an alt to grind them with instead.
6 months of doing nothing but faceroll content doesn’t mean you suddenly deserve better rewards than faceroll content offered to start with.
People playing at different levels SHOULD hit different soft caps to their gear. But right now the soft cap for everyone but Mythic Raiders is roughly 400 ilvl (closer to 410 for longer-term M+ players, but in terms of the loot that actually drops, still 400 ish).
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The issue is that this is because high level gear is so readily available.
BfA is at the games worst state for ilvl requirements for pre-made groups, that is because we have more access to higher level gear outside of raiding and difficult content.
Just look back on expansions like WotLK, the average gear score required for Ulduar 10M was the equivalent of ~ 203 ilvl.
The drops from that particular raid iirc were 219 at the time.
It’s absolutely not, in fact it is the thing that is barring players from groups.
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Heroic raid drops 400 ilvl gear. But do try again claiming it’s starter raid gear
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You misunderstood what he meant by that. Hes saying that if youre raiding heroic, you most likely already have ilvl 400 gear sometimes without knowing any of the mechanics or even having stepped into heroic previously. A starter shouldnt start at the second highest level.
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The issue is that it IS just about starter raid gear because of the general ease of acquiring it. It SHOULDN’T be starter gear, but it is.
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A quest that simple shouldn’t be giving heroic level loot though, that’s the issue
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No I didn’t. I just didn’t quote it. I get what you’re saying. That people who don’t do high-end content don’t need 400 ilvl.
But that’s not the point. This is a progression game, everyone wants to see their character get a good piece of gear because that’s an important part of it.
You’re upset because you feel like your progression is somehow diminished by people doing WQ and walking around in 400 gear. But it’s not.
And that gear is a stepping stone. A year and a half ago I had never done group content of any kind. Never. Not even a Normal Dungeon at-level. I was totally solo and just assumed nobody would want me for their group. And I wouldn’t be doing it now and trying to improve so I can do even bigger things if not for the 926 ilvl that qualified me for N Antorus. And a guildie who said “hey, you’re 926? You want to try raiding”?
You hate that gear is “easy”, but that gear is bringing in new blood to that high-end content that you love, and that will not survive without it.
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Lmao once again i had acknowledged those exact points. This whole time I have been sayign you should get gear relative to the content youre doing. Normal Antorus back in the day gave like 930 gear. You were 926. You wouldnt have gotten higher without doing normal raid. Thats how it should be. Normal however is not the high end content.
Right now heroic is ilvl 400 and you can get there without ever stepping into heroic. Thats not how stuff should be. And thats at the higher level of the game than your normal antorus. Im fine with bringing in new blood but its created this unnecessary issue where now people are less able to guage a persons skill level because gear has been made a bit obselete. That new blood will not know the fights and the mechanics. It ruins the experience a bit for those that actually play at that skill level.
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It’s not a progression system though.
It’s a time-gated loot cache system.
progression
/prəˈɡrɛʃ(ə)n/
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the process of developing or moving gradually towards a more advanced state.
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a number of things in a series.
The current system defies this ideology. It will give you 305 pieces then chuck you a 400, then you get some 310s then it chucks you a 370, then you get some 320s and can finally do heroics. Then you get some 355s with some incursions giving 365 and then some more 355s and then depending on the time to get there darkshore might be around again and you can get another 400.
Then you go back to getting some 365s and then arathi comes up and you may or may not need the 370.
Then it stops.
And from that point you have the option of a few things, continue to do 370 WQs to hope for upgrades, you do LFR (CoS only) for the chance at some 380s, or you wait for embassies with slightly higher rewards than you ilvl.
And then you rinse and repeat getting darkshore rewards, and slightly better embassy rewards until hopefully you get to the point where embassies give 395 with 400 azerite.
But that whole stage is just repeating the same content, with the hope that you get something good.
Get two ilvl 400 boots from darkshore in a row? Well you are now 3 weeks behind my friend.
Because those rewards are so time-gated it is exceptionally punishing if you don’t get a reward you need.
It’s not a good system at all in my opinion.
Like 370-400 just doesn’t know what it wants to be. You are solely at the mercy of upgrades and weekly/daily cache rewards that pull from a random pool of 30+ items.
I’m sorry, it’s just not progression.
I play the game casually and have done so since the end of Vanilla, with the occasional dabble in raids through various points of expansions.
Every single expansion up until Legion had a more satisfying gear progression for casual players.
Sure you weren’t getting heroic raid gear, but you felt like you were achieving something every time you logged in. It was great.
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I would rather have a solid and engaging reasonable paced progression system from 300-370 as a casual player than the current rush you to 370 then rely on RNG on extremely limited rewards to get 400.
Miss one opportunity to do darkshore and all of a sudden you find yourself wasting the next 3 weeks waiting for the next.
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But that’s how it has to be. Blizz isn’t going back to the old model for Retail. They want to grow their (diminishing) playerbase. There are two competing (and diametrically opposed) needs to fulfill here.
Vets who want to play with other vets, and new players (or less experienced players) who want to do the same.
Now, we can go down a rabbit hole over people who queue for content that’s way out of their league, and people who are just bad (even my guild gets some winners when we have to pug a slot), but that’s not a gear issue really. It’s a human nature issue.
And the fact that people can easily buy their IO and their cheeves isn’t so much a problem with the gear system as it is the Token system. I could spend $100 on tokens and get carried to 1500 IO and AotC at least.
But, like… I want to play the game with people I like. Not show off an achievement to some random on GD. And I also don’t queue for content over my head. I do everything with my guild. If I can’t push my key above 9, I’m not going to try getting into your 15. Just how I am.
All I’m saying is, people mad about easy gear are mad about the wrong thing.
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There is nothing stopping you from joining a heroic raid at 390. That content is still there. 400 is the reward for doing that content. You shouldnt be able to get the reward any other way because then its no longer a reward.
Blizz’s playerbase has been diminishing because of mistakes such as those. The focus has moved away from gearing your character and making yourself feel strong towards this boring monotonous daily farming to power up your neck. The gear has been left to the side.
If they want their playerbase back they better damn well ignore all your ideas. Everyone loses when theyre implemented.
Lastly, the people buying carries are negligible. No one has an issue with that either cause they have little to no effect on the system. The person who has no idea what theyre doing is more likely to be in the group because they got that free 400 loot than because they bought the achievement.
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Let me stop you right there. Sure there is. The playerbase. My guild is 8/9 H (currently, Waifu dies Tuesday) and I can confidently say that our RL isn’t taking anyone under 405 for H BoD.
I’m going to argue that if you’re raiding for gear, you’re doing it wrong. My 410 ilvl is going to be just under N raid gear in 8.2, just like it was coming out of Uldir.
Funny that they’re doing exactly what I suggest.
You’re assuming that “bad” who ruined your key despite his high IO was doing WQ? Come on, you know that isn’t true, and further, you have no data to support it. Neither do I, but glass houses and all that.
Again, that’s an assumption on your part.
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TY. I did not see that blue post and that is what I was looking for.
You have to play for a month(s) to build that ilvl up to getting the 395 gear when the emissary for that comes up - which maybe be once a month.
Sure it is a reward, saying it isn’t is just silly. OP literally subbed just to get that reward.
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People gearing fast is not because of emissary reward or warfront. It is actaully because how easy gear come from mythic plus. If anything undermine raiding for gear it is 100% mythic plus.
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Emissary quests revolve over a 3 day period, not daily. And the rewards are not always gear, but are most frequently Azerite and occasionally gold.
Ivus is once every 3 weeks.
Warfront quest is once every 3 weeks.
All of these can give duplicates.
Rings and trinkets are locked behind the Tortollan Emissary which is the least frequent.
AoO is a weekly that is occasionally up, due to participation levels, to encourage Alliance players to turn Warmode on and yet most still don’t.
LFR doesn’t reward base 400 gear, may not drop gear at all, has a weekly lock out, and can again give duplicates.
It’s not hit 120 and be 400 geared in a week. Unless possibly you get 4 friends to chain carry you through Mythic+.
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Think it is still based on your current item level.
The only source that is consistent is the Darkshore War Front. The main quest gives you a piece per cycle and the tree guy gives one as well if he is kind enough to drop anything.
In my opinion loot distribution works well. That being said, way back I was whispered something inline “Hey you are ilvl XYZ”! Would you like to join our guild and do some raids?".
I had no idea what a hell ilvl is but when guildie explained to me I knew it is going to suck down the road…and here we are.