"WoW is not a solo RPG" takes are why we need soloization

[Aiturs-mankrik]

@Onivoker-zuljin

You get both sides in both games.

People rage quit dungeons in FF all the time because the tank pulls 1 pack and not 2

Which is why I completely get why people do Trust and are excited AI teams are making it to this game.

[Tristold-proudmoore]

@Mackennah-moon-guard

Exactly! I’m an odd one who has played since open beta 2004 and have come to the point that i just like exploring and discovering.

Turns out that when hyperfocusing min/max nerds like us grew up and got jobs/families/lives, we often prefer to have a cool fantasy world to unwind in (mmoRPG) rather than relax by cranking that sigma grindset even further past eleven lol

AI dungeons, delves and other open world progress gives us that balance.

[Stormfury-blackwater-raiders]

@Nairdowel-dawnbringer

Id personally go with ‘encouraged’ given they do offer us perks to do group content with the better gear drops, bonus gold, etc.

Good point. I was just comment on it as the guy I was replying to keeps repeating the same thing over and over again.

[Onivoker-zuljin]

Yea, i wonder how successful follower dungeons will be seeing as they don’t even extend to heroic

[Drunne-whitemane]

@Nairdowel-dawnbringer

Those people also have to explain why solo content works so well for games like ESO which has public dungeons / delves you can just run into and if no one is there, you just clean up shop alone.
The game is fine with no one else around.

They act in a way to run players off from wanting to play with them…then they whine that no one wants to play with them. lmao.
Feels like living with my ex wife lol

I think they’re worried that systems like M+ will lose their appeal once there are alternatives. These changes that Blizzard is making are only going to make the game better.

The game is losing its causal player base, there is barely any meaningful content for players like this anymore. The solo content if just faceroll and all the challenge requires you to group.

People forget too, that some people play at odd hours, or have social anxiety, why can’t these players have a place in the game too?

This is why Classic is so popular, a good chunk of the game offers a rewarding experience solo. Sure, it isn’t terribly hard, but it isn’t as faceroll as retail is. The outdoor content in retail is abysmal.

The current development team working on WoW needs to do a ton of deep thinking on what made WoW great for decades. They lost this trying to ratchet everyone into these end game gear treadmills.

Gear acquisition is just stupid fast. You’re showered with blues, epics for just looting a crate or a box in the new zones. It is boring as heck.

[Bravik-argent-dawn]

@Daarrk-thrall

That is the mentality that should not be fostered.

How so?

I came to this game from EQ, and the major selling point was being able to solo to max level as well as a minimal death penalty by comparison.

It delivered on that promise, and it still does. However, Blizzard realizes that there’s a gap that needs to be filled. Even EQ added followers in the form of mercenaries in 2008.

Their reasons were different in that the leveling experience requires grouping. With so many people coming to WoW, or leaving the space in general, there were no people to group with which left new/returning players stuck in the early levels.

Adding followers to that game didn’t affect max level group/raid gameplay, and I don’t think it will here either. Having a solo progression path is making me consider buying TWW, but I’m going to wait and see if they do another Torghast before purchasing.

[Mackennah-moon-guard]

I hope the AI dungeons succeed and they make them available beyond DF.

[Girthshock-sargeras]

@Aiturs-mankrik

This AI feature is being added because of people like you. If ya’ll didn’t act a fool to others in game then maybe people would be more comfortable running dungeons.

What are you referring to? “People like me” meaning what? Please, do tell.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Drunne-whitemane

Gear acquisition is just stupid fast.

Because the seasons are so fast, now.

Black Temple was the main event for 9 months when it came out, and it wasn’t even the last raid of its expansion.

Lately we’ve been having stuff active for 4-5 months and then Blizzard rushes on to the next thing. And the catch-up gear is so generous that you feel like a fool for having even bothered with the tier before.

[Nairdowel-dawnbringer]

@Daiza-gilneas

Not exactly sure im willing to poke that ex-wife bear, but yes. That’s basically it.

lol. She’d cheat, lie, steal…you name it. Then when you react she’d be like “why are you so upset” ? lmao. “why do you want a divorce”. lol.
She honestly still to this day cant figure it out, I think. She really believes her behavior was just fine and Im overreacting.
Same thing in here.
These folks are literally showing us in here just how obnoxious they can be…confirming what we’re saying about the situation…then like the ex demand we play with them and cant figure out why we dont want to. lmao.

@Daiza-gilneas

At this point honestly, I’d say it’s a cultural thing unique to WoW and its community.

Granted I play solo in ESO too so Ive no real comparison, but this community seems Far more ‘toxic’ than any other online game Ive ever played. lol

@Daiza-gilneas

Maybe if Follower Dungeons and Delves become the new normal for the community, things can shift a bit in how content is just developed to you know, not encourage reducing the randoms around you into numbers.

sad part is I LOVE healing 5 mans…REAL players. But theres that 1 in 8 to 10 players who is so rabidly obnoxious that its just not worth bothering with.
its a dice roll when you group with randoms when the psycho is going to go on a profanity laced tirade in chat because someone did something they dont like or refuses to give them their gear drop. lmao.
Like a spoiled tantrum tossing child. NO adult wants to deal with crap.

So my options are…join a guild and get with good players…or play solo.
My schedule allows only for the latter.
AI dungeons would be perfect for me.
No attitudes and I can do them at my leisure, not someone elses.

[Quântum-proudmoore]

i miss tbc

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[Stormfury-blackwater-raiders]

@Onivoker-zuljin

People rage quit dungeons in FF all the time because the tank pulls 1 pack and not 2

Heheh I love tormenting those people with my tank. The moment that someone whines, I’ll start grabbing EVERY pack in eye sight one at a time, sometime depopulating a entire dungeon. I’ll even go and do some weird routes and all the the optional bosses, just to listen to them whine that we are going too slow.

If I get kicked, oh well, 99% of the time, we already killed a boss or two, so the deserted debuff doesn’t kick in and I generally get almost instant queues.

[Nairdowel-dawnbringer]

@Mackennah-moon-guard

I hope the AI dungeons succeed and they make them available beyond DF.

Did you check them out on the PTR?
OMG…they are a blast…
Healer died when I pulled too much, almost wiped to the twins in Uldum.
Very cool to be able to have this and the queue time was like 2 seconds lol

[Daarrk-thrall]

@Brewa-hyjal

Because the seasons are so fast, now.

Black Temple was the main event for 9 months when it came out, and it wasn’t even the last raid of its expansion.

Wait, we want 9-12 month content droughts back? Big yikes.

[Ardistordish-area-52]

@Brewa-hyjal

You have evidence of this?

Ion.

But you wouldn’t know. You’re why the AI’s being added.

[Henceforth-area-52]

@Omedon-thorium-brotherhood

If you’ve watched the discourse on delves and now follower dungeons, there’s this strain of commentary, you know you’ve seen it, where some schmoe throws in something to the tune of “This is an MMORPG! Why do we need AI dungeon pals? Who is this for? Those people should play solo RPGs!”

I hate (not really) to tell y’all, but this translates in my head every time as “hang on, this is an MMORPG and THE COMMUNITY should get to gatekeep people! Soloization robs us of that! O NOES!”

It is in the game’s best interest to take that “power” away from everyone who demands it because, news flash, no one is paying the community for entertainment. They’re paying Blizzard, one account at a time (unless they’re multi boxing).

WoW will benefit on so many fronts from follower dungeons and delves, ESPECIALLY if The War Within offers follower dungeons for its new normal mode dungeons at launch or shortly after, following up on Dragonflight and its follower dungeons being presumably extended to run from level 10-70 (as dragonflight replaces BFA as “the default leveling experience”), when the War Within takes over from 70-80. A pipeline that goes from a follower dungeon leveling game to a Delve-powered endgame will be the best thing to happen to this community that literally hates each other, for years hating by design, and have created crazy levels of gatekeeping that are toxic and counter to growth.

Every time someone says any variation on “this is an MMO, you shouldn’t be able to play alone,” what they’re truly saying is “you should need the community, and by community I mean me, as in I should get to control your access to content!” … And, no. That’s… that’s not how a subscription service game should work.

Play with your friends! The PVE content for groups isn’t going anywhere! Heck it’s being extended to include groups as small as TWO players! No one’s taking away Mythic Plus or raids, they’re just providing options that, yeah, I imagine some people will migrate from M+ PUGing to do so, but so what? No one who truly doesn’t want to be there should be in PUG content, and I don’t know about y’all, but I will gladly, GLADLY turn down my target item level goals if it means the hassle of dealing with divergent standards of playstyle and ettiquette among “the community” goes away!

Hell, imagine this: Damage meters will become far less relevant when people just… hang with NPCs! That’s a good thing! Damage meters bring toxicity!

Anyway, that’s my rant pointing fingers at the “all the socialization is bleeding out” crowd, because no it’s not, it’s being given an escape valve into a place where “socialization” (often a dogwhistle for gatekeeping) has no power any more, and that’s a good thing!

Play with friends, or play alone. The 3rd option (while still present) isn’t a mandatory pilar of the modern gaming internet, which is a cesspool and no longer novel.

Every WoW player owning the time they buy is a wonderful net gain for the game in general, objectively.

1. buy a console.
2. play solo rpgs
3. Make wow MMORPG again

[Onivoker-zuljin]

@Brewa-hyjal

Black Temple

It was supposed to be.

And 5-6 months is perfect imo, 9 months and people would be quitting out of sheer boredom

[Mackennah-moon-guard]

I rarely do dungeons. The other day I tried a TW dungeon and the group moved so quickly to the first boss I got locked out of the fight and kicked. I have never played the dungeon and didn’t know a boss was so close.

I didnt get mad so much but sad at the state of some people in that much of a hurry to crap on another human being.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Ardistordish-area-52

@Brewa-hyjal

You have evidence of this?

Ion.

Ion doesn’t even raid anymore, hasn’t in a while.

[Aiturs-mankrik]

@Onivoker-zuljin

Yea, i wonder how successful follower dungeons will be seeing as they don’t even extend to heroic

I think they will eventually.