That implies that challenges cannot be relaxing.
Warcraft is a very good example of “the reward is the journey.”
I’ve killed “the final boss of Warcraft” when it was current content like five times already, and I’ve gotten all the gear I could ever ask for appropriate to my skill level (and sometimes beyond that): you do this enough times and it hits you that the goal is to improve as a player, practice some self-awareness, and clean up your bad gameplay habits.
The gear helps, but what helps more is self-assessing and just trying to be better: “git gud” is the ultimate DPS increase. Learning simple raid awareness like controlling my movement, stutter stepping my ranged abilities, keeping track of cast bars and effect duration, learning how to properly range my character so that I’m always within distance of the target and my healers, knowing what my character is capable of doing and exploiting it completely, and simply learning how to be a better teammate has been more rewarding than all the loot in the game because that time investment has paid off dividends over the last ten years.
I don’t know what to tell you. Looks like you are trying to argue for the sake of arguing.
Have a good thread, I guess?
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It’s fundamental to understanding your statement. Are you suggesting that engaging in a challenge is not relaxing?
That is a general definition of playing a game, yes. However you are entirely missing the point. Not every game needs a Dark Souls level of difficulty to be enjoyed. In fact, many games - or things to do in those games - are designed specifically for differences in opinion in what one calls ‘fun.’ Including WoW.
No one needs to be a mythic raiding beast if they enjoy just leveling alts or doing dailies with their time. As another has said, “different strokes for different folks.”
WoW can’t be too hard because it has multiple difficulties to suit the needs of the many.
Well, yeah, for some people, probably most? Because people are different.
I, myself, don’t feel relaxed at all when tanking a +15. I enjoy it a lot, for sure, but I’m not relaxed. I’m pushing myself to do my best to clear content that, for me, is challenging.
Relaxing is raid farm night talking funny stuff with the guild on discord.
If your going to argue it may be a good idea to not put words in peoples mouths. Otherwise your argument becomes irrelevant.
I never said games were hard. I said games have moved towards a ‘no failure state’ theme. In such wide spread acceptance … THAT is a new phenomenon.
Wow it looks like you’re my big sister!
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Nobody is suggesting it should.
You don’t need dark souls game play to experience a failure state.
You could, say, fail at Animal Crossing.
Compared to what? If you compare wow to Dark Souls, it is easier. Compare to Minecraft, way, way more difficult.
I play videogames to got new experiences, not to be challanged, its part of it but not the most important thing.
I play vídeos games because. Sometimes video games has something to say about something, not only for entertainment, or scapism. Like Lissa the painful and other titles that resonotes emotionally.
I dont know. WoW has some things to say, some are dumb af, and others are meh. But If I wanted to play something just to get challanged I would play ninja gaiden not wow
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Seems relevant to me.
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Challenge is relative. For example: I don’t think KSM or even pre-nerf heroic CN (barring Sire) was particularly difficult.
Yet there are guilds out there that raid together and haven’t killed heroic Sire for their AotC, even now.
Dark Souls crushed me when I first started playing it, but now I can basically speedrun the game without much of a struggle. Granted, I made a SL1 PKer in it, and that was an ungodly solo challenge.
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They hated him because he told them the truth…
I play video games to have fun. I have real-life for that other thing you mentioned.
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Again, another player implies that being challenged is inherently “not fun”.
Baloney.
The idea of fun is subjective. It’s not fun for me to be stressed out in a video game. I’m not implying anything, I’m flat-out saying it. 
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Then dont play a game that stresses you out. Play one that gives you the experience you are looking for.
I don’t play games that stress me out… that would be counterproductive to what I just said. Are you confused?