"WoW Doesn't respect my time!"

This phrase just blows my mind. We’re talking about a game, that back in the day, players had to farm for hours just to get the basics even to raid. I mean just look at what we went through in the actual original WoW:

  • There was no flying, so everything was farmed on foot, or on a 60%/100% mount.
  • Warlocks ran through Dire Maul just to get enough shards that had to be in their bags just so they could cast certain spells
  • Heirlooms did not exist. If it did not drop, or you did not buy/craft something, your gear was always inadequate
  • Rogues made their own poisons and could only do so because of a quest chain at lvl 20
  • Druids had to learn every shapeshift, the longest of which started in Moon Glade, went to SilverPine forest shoreline, and back to MoonGlade
  • Hunters could not tame most beasts, and would have to
    • Make food for their pets, unless they wanted them to attack or run away
    • Lose a bag slot for arrows / bullets
    • Carry items to make a fire to cook for pets

I mean the list is ENDLESS. Now we have riding at 750%-805%, everything is handed to us in a spell book, Dungeons take 7 minutes instead of 70 minutes (looking at you BRD), and The Great Vault is just a freebie grab every Tuesday. Catalyst is literally giving us Tier set pieces after 10 weeks, and that is if you are not using the shards in between to craft stuff.

This whole game was a huge time sink, so I have to wonder, what actually goes through someone’s mind these days when they can do more in 8 hours of gameplay than we used to do in 50?

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I am in full agreement with you.

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Wow has come leaps and bounds forward in terms of respecting the player’s time. However I will argue, to my dying day, that Shadowlands was developed with the sole intent on making EVERY SINGLE activity taking as long as humanly possible. It was the expansion of tedium.

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Not all of these are disrespecting the player’s time but yes, the game came quite a ways in that regard from the vanilla days.

and then threw a lot of that out the window with Legion and stopped respecting our time as much.

I think the “WoW Doesn’t respect my time.” reeks of entitlement.

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You’re so confused on what that statement means.

It doesn’t mean let me go faster more mount speed please.
It means I want to see the fruits of my labor.

For example the weekly vault is a big issue where your time isn’t respected. You grind out 8 Delves, 8 M+, whatever, just to get offered duplicate items.

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So many training dummies farmed. Their population numbers are still recovering

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The game has changed.

Yeah, but didn’t we all came into this knowing it was a real time event? If it takes 8 hours to accomplish it, we pretty much agree to those 8 hours by doing it. The basic point most people miss is: “If you feel your time is disrespected, then have some self respect and find something that you feel does respect your time”.

No one starts a project car knowing it could take away 3 years of your life without fully understanding it will take away 3 years of your life. The respect is absolutely a two way street. You can’t complain about it and then justify staying subbed. Just my take on it. The whole purpose of a sub-based game model is to keep people subbed, which means more play time, which translates to time gating and slower consumption.

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To be fair people can complain about an aspect of a game but still enjoy the game as a whole.

Complaining about stuff is how we sometimes get things changed. If we didn’t complain about anything, then we’d still be stuck with borrowed power.

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Feedback is how we get change. Complaining is just a fancy term for entitled whining. For example:

Complaining: “WoW doesn’t respect my time!”

Feedback: “While I understand things require time to complete, this particular activity feels as though it is taking longer than needed and feels unnecessarily padded. Is there a way to adjust this activity so it consumes the 15 minutes it should, instead of the 40 minutes it currently does?”

Literally changing the phrasing and making it an interactive discussion can drive faster and more concise change. There are plenty of things I would change about this game. I just want to make sure I am approaching them in the best way possible. :blue_heart:

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I find the entire “respect my time” statement as a whole to be stupid, and screaming entitlement, even when it is
directed at other players - usually complaining about 2 minutes worth of time.

“Dude you logged into a game, a game that was built around the concept of
wasting your time.”

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You sounds like a boomer.

I paid my tuition on what I made during the summer!!
I bought my house and supported my entire household as a mailman!!
I retired at 55 on my pension!!

The game has evolved. Times change, boomer.

It doesnt respect my time but i dont respect WoW so its even

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This is totally the raison d’arte of WoW. Everything is to make you “play long time”. And we agreed to this when we accepted this game.

And that’s why so many of us have been playing this for soooo long.

And love it.

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Complaining is also part of it, and often is more than just “WoW doesn’t respect my time!”.

Like it or not, it’s one way to signal to the devs “we don’t like this thing” which is the main thing we need to communicate.

I don’t have any issues myself with feeling like wow wastes my time. Its pretty easy to login and do whatever.

But I don’t think that something being much better than it used to be means that there is no room or need for further improvement.

^^ This.
Improving things --and suggesting improvements-- is by far better than
“Respect my time goddammit.” (stamps foot)

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They dont repsect my time by giving me everything im playing the game for upon logging in, so i can stop playing and complain about not having anything to do!

The sooner i get to the point of not playing, the better!..i think?

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Another horrible take from Dracarian.

WoW used to be fun from level 1. The only grinds were at the very end to prolong engagement.

Anybody who thinks WoW was just grind, grind, and then FINALLY you get to do Molten Core is just delusional.

People don’t even like raiding. They never have. They liked leveling and PvP.